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FROM: Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 1:13 PM

I would like to compile a list of adult level books that would work for
Young Adults who would love to read something edgy and unusual. (Books
similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that her son enjoyed such as A
Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston Ellis.) I have some street smart
older kids that come in to look for something to read and I would love to
give them a list of books that will suprise them. Please send suggestions
for the books and maybe a title for the bibliography.
I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's Handbook by Craig Clevenger

Ellen Olson
Rockford Public Library
Rockford IL

-----Original Message-----
From: Bookbitch
To: Fiction_L
Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: why kids hate reading & books/movies

This is tying a couple of threads together...you described my son
perfectly.
He was a voracious reader until he hit middle school - the last thing he
read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the Lord of the Rings
trilogy.
Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way of rebelling against his
bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a fabulous English teacher
in
11th grade who got him to read again. He suggested that he watch a
movie
over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange. When he got back to
school,
the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when my son told him he
thought
it was great, his teacher told him if you liked the movie, you'll really
love the book. He came home and asked me for it. Of course, I couldn't
find it in my house so I ran to the library (on my day off!) to get it
for
him. He read it that night, then read the rest of Burgess, moved on to
Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But he's reading again, and I
give full credit to that teacher.

Stacy Alesi
Southwest County Regional Library
Boca Raton, Florida
www.pbclibrary.org

I am the BookBitch
www.bookbitch.com
January is BRAD MONTH!
Win a free copy of either book --
THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor

FROM: [removed]@carmel.lib.in.us (Maureen Socha)
REC'D: 1/8/04, 1:30 PM

Very interesting idea for a compilation!

As far as a title, we have a bookmark here at the RA desk titled "Fiction
on the Edge".

My ideas:

A Thin Difference by Frank Hollon Turner (although a typical legal thriller
from the beginning - it is the ending that really put the book at the top
of my list; relatively short read)

Lucas by Kevin Brooks (YA - long but a great read; very interesting story)

Books by Chuck Palahniuk especially Fight Club (the book was 10x better
than the movie)

Geek Love by Katherine Dunn (unusual story line - although I haven't read
it, the book has been suggested many times)

Ella Minnow Pea by Mark Dunn (rave reviews by adult readers)

Maureen

At 12:57 PM 1/8/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level books that would work for
>Young Adults who would love to read something edgy and unusual. (Books
>similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that her son enjoyed such as A
>Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston Ellis.) I have some street smart
>older kids that come in to look for something to read and I would love to
>give them a list of books that will suprise them. Please send suggestions
>for the books and maybe a title for the bibliography.
>I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's Handbook by Craig Clevenger
>
>Ellen Olson
>Rockford Public Library
>Rockford IL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bookbitch
>To: Fiction_L
>Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
>Subject: RE: why kids hate reading & books/movies
>
>This is tying a couple of threads together...you described my son
>perfectly.
>He was a voracious reader until he hit middle school - the last thing he
>read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the Lord of the Rings
>trilogy.
>Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way of rebelling against his
>bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a fabulous English teacher
>in
>11th grade who got him to read again. He suggested that he watch a
>movie
>over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange. When he got back to
>school,
>the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when my son told him he
>thought
>it was great, his teacher told him if you liked the movie, you'll really
>love the book. He came home and asked me for it. Of course, I couldn't
>find it in my house so I ran to the library (on my day off!) to get it
>for
>him. He read it that night, then read the rest of Burgess, moved on to
>Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But he's reading again, and I
>give full credit to that teacher.
>
>Stacy Alesi
>Southwest County Regional Library
>Boca Raton, Florida
>www.pbclibrary.org
>
>I am the BookBitch
>www.bookbitch.com
>January is BRAD MONTH!
>Win a free copy of either book --
>THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
>STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
***********************************
Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us

"I cannot live without books."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Whatever the cost of libraries, the
price is cheap compared to that of an
ignorant nation." -Walter Cronkite
***********************************

FROM: "ROBIN BEERBOWER" <[removed]@mail.open.org>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 1:36 PM

I would be very careful in suggesting GEEK LOVE to younger teens. It is
a good book and fascinating but definitely an adult read. Many patrons
have not been able to stomach the book at all. JMHO... :-)

However, I must admit to reading VALLEY OF THE DOLLS when I was 12,
despite the librarian telling me it was way too adult for me. I'm sure
much of it went over my head (this was the mid-60s, remember) but I
don't *think* it harmed me. OK, maybe it did; I still like a good
trashy novel now and then.

Robin Beerbower
Salem (OR) Public Library

>>> [removed]@carmel.lib.in.us 1/8/2004 2:25:44 PM >>>
Very interesting idea for a compilation!

As far as a title, we have a bookmark here at the RA desk titled
"Fiction
on the Edge".

My ideas:

A Thin Difference by Frank Hollon Turner (although a typical legal
thriller
from the beginning - it is the ending that really put the book at the
top
of my list; relatively short read)

Lucas by Kevin Brooks (YA - long but a great read; very interesting
story)

Books by Chuck Palahniuk especially Fight Club (the book was 10x
better
than the movie)

Geek Love by Katherine Dunn (unusual story line - although I haven't
read
it, the book has been suggested many times)

Ella Minnow Pea by Mark Dunn (rave reviews by adult readers)

Maureen

At 12:57 PM 1/8/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level books that would work
for
>Young Adults who would love to read something edgy and unusual.
(Books
>similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that her son enjoyed such as
A
>Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston Ellis.) I have some street
smart
>older kids that come in to look for something to read and I would love
to
>give them a list of books that will suprise them. Please send
suggestions
>for the books and maybe a title for the bibliography.
>I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's Handbook by Craig
Clevenger
>
>Ellen Olson
>Rockford Public Library
>Rockford IL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bookbitch
>To: Fiction_L
>Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
>Subject: RE: why kids hate reading & books/movies
>
>This is tying a couple of threads together...you described my son
>perfectly.
>He was a voracious reader until he hit middle school - the last thing
he
>read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the Lord of the Rings
>trilogy.
>Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way of rebelling against
his
>bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a fabulous English
teacher
>in
>11th grade who got him to read again. He suggested that he watch a
>movie
>over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange. When he got back to
>school,
>the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when my son told him he
>thought
>it was great, his teacher told him if you liked the movie, you'll
really
>love the book. He came home and asked me for it. Of course, I
couldn't
>find it in my house so I ran to the library (on my day off!) to get
it
>for
>him. He read it that night, then read the rest of Burgess, moved on
to
>Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But he's reading again, and
I
>give full credit to that teacher.
>
>Stacy Alesi
>Southwest County Regional Library
>Boca Raton, Florida
>www.pbclibrary.org
>
>I am the BookBitch
>www.bookbitch.com
>January is BRAD MONTH!
>Win a free copy of either book --
>THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
>STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
***********************************
Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us

"I cannot live without books."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Whatever the cost of libraries, the
price is cheap compared to that of an
ignorant nation." -Walter Cronkite
***********************************

FROM: David Wright <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 1:59 PM

I should mention that both School Library Journal
and YALSA compile annual lists of Best Adult
Books for Young Adults. There may be others out
there as well - not sure. You can find YALSA's
Alex awards at:
http://www.ala.org/Content/NavigationMenu/YALSA/Booklists_and_Book_Awards/Alex_Awards/Alex_Awards.htm

and here are some of the SLJ's awards:
1995:
Banks, Russell Rule of the Bone
Binstock, R. C. Tree of Heaven
Campbell, Bebe Moore Brothers and Sisters
Gaarder, Jostein Sophie's World
Gunesekera, Romesh Reef
Kress, Nancy Beggars and Choosers
McCrumb, Sharyn She Walks These Hills
Mosher, Howard Frank Northern Borders
Walker, Mary Willis Under the Beetle's Cellar
Watson, Larry Justice
West, Dorothy Herbert The Wedding
1996:
Butler, Octavia E. Bloodchild
Cooperstein, Claire Johanna
Cross, Donna Woolfolk Pope Joan
Harris, Robert Enigma
1997:
Adams, Richard Tales from Watership Down
Berg, Elizabeth Joy School
Carey, Jacqueline The Other Family
Frazier, Charles Cold Mountain
Hall, Brian The Saskiad
Preston, Douglas J. Reliquary
Revoyr, Nina The Necessary Hunger
Trice, Dawn Turner Only Twice I've Wished for
Heaven
Welter, John I Want to Buy a Vowel
1998:
Barr, Nevada Blind Descent
Cox, Elizabeth Night Talk
DeSai, Kiran The Hullabaloo in the Guava Orchard

Garcia y Robertson, Rodrigo American Woman
King, Laurie R. The Moor
Pellegrino, Charles R. Dust
Senna, Danzy Caucasia
Wilhelm, Kate The Good Children
1999:
Card, Orson Scott Ender's Shadow
Fuqua, Jonathon Scott The Reappearance of Sam
Webber
Hoffman, Alice Local Girls
King, Lily The Pleasing Hour
Preston, Douglas J. Thunderhead
2000:
Brady, James The Marines of Autumn
Chevalier, Tracy Girl With a Pearl Earring
Danvers, Dennis The Fourth World
Hyde, Catherine Ryan Pay It Forward
Lebert, Benjamin Crazy
McCann, Colum Everything in This Country Must
Schwarz, Christina Drowning Ruth
Stolz, Karen World of Pies
Updike, John Gertrude and Claudius
Wells, Ken Meely LaBauve
2001:
Ballard, Allen B. Where I'm Bound
Bujold, Lois McMaster Curse of Chalion
Hamilton, Jane Disobedience
Oltion, Jerry Abandon in Place
Tobin, Betsy Bone House
Willis, Connie Passage
2002:

--- Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us> wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level
> books that would work for
> Young Adults who would love to read something
> edgy and unusual. (Books
> similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that
> her son enjoyed such as A
> Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston
> Ellis.) I have some street smart
> older kids that come in to look for something
> to read and I would love to
> give them a list of books that will suprise
> them. Please send suggestions
> for the books and maybe a title for the
> bibliography.
> I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's
> Handbook by Craig Clevenger
>
> Ellen Olson
> Rockford Public Library
> Rockford IL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bookbitch
> To: Fiction_L
> Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: why kids hate reading &
> books/movies
>
> This is tying a couple of threads
> together...you described my son
> perfectly.
> He was a voracious reader until he hit middle
> school - the last thing he
> read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the
> Lord of the Rings
> trilogy.
> Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way
> of rebelling against his
> bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a
> fabulous English teacher
> in
> 11th grade who got him to read again. He
> suggested that he watch a
> movie
> over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange.
> When he got back to
> school,
> the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when
> my son told him he
> thought
> it was great, his teacher told him if you liked
> the movie, you'll really
> love the book. He came home and asked me for
> it. Of course, I couldn't
> find it in my house so I ran to the library (on
> my day off!) to get it
> for
> him. He read it that night, then read the rest
> of Burgess, moved on to
> Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But
> he's reading again, and I
> give full credit to that teacher.
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Boca Raton, Florida
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
> I am the BookBitch
> www.bookbitch.com
> January is BRAD MONTH!
> Win a free copy of either book --
> THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
> STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>
......................................................................
> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the
> archives?
> Everything Fiction_L:
> http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>
......................................................................
> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the
> archives?
> Everything Fiction_L:
http://fictionl.webrary.org

=====
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Their tastes may not be the same.”

-George Bernard Shaw

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FROM: David Wright <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 2:05 PM

oops, accidentally sent too fast -
2002:
Bardi, Abby The Book of Fred
Danvers, Dennis The Watch
Fforde, Jasper The Eyre Affair
Hearn, Lian Across the Nightingale Floor
Holthe, Tess Uriza When the Elephants Dance
Kidd, Sue Monk The Secret Life of Bees
Oltion, Jerry The Getaway Special
Sebold, Alice The Lovely Bones

=====
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Their tastes may not be the same.”

-George Bernard Shaw

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FROM: Karen Jensen <[removed]@marion.lib.oh.us>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 2:44 PM

Looking for edgy fiction for older, more sophisticated teens?

You may want to start out by checking out the Slacker Fiction list which is
on the Reading Rants web-site (an excellent site for teen reading lists).

http://tln.lib.mi.us/~amutch/jen/slacker.htm

Karen Jensen
Teen Services Librarian
Marion Public Library
Marion, OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Fiction_L [[removed]@maillist.webrary.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:47 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Fiction_L Digest #3261 - 01/08/04

Fiction_L Digest #3261 - Thursday, January 8, 2004

RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "Ellen Olson" <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us>

Books by Chuck Palahniuk especially Fight Club (the book was 10x
better
than the movie)

Geek Love by Katherine Dunn (unusual story line - although I haven't
read
it, the book has been suggested many times)

Ella Minnow Pea by Mark Dunn (rave reviews by adult readers)

Maureen

At 12:57 PM 1/8/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level books that would work
for
>Young Adults who would love to read something edgy and unusual.
(Books
>similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that her son enjoyed such as
A
>Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston Ellis.) I have some street
smart
>older kids that come in to look for something to read and I would love
to
>give them a list of books that will suprise them. Please send
suggestions
>for the books and maybe a title for the bibliography.
>I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's Handbook by Craig
Clevenger
>
>Ellen Olson
>Rockford Public Library
>Rockford IL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bookbitch
>To: Fiction_L
>Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
>Subject: RE: why kids hate reading & books/movies
>
>This is tying a couple of threads together...you described my son
>perfectly.
>He was a voracious reader until he hit middle school - the last thing
he
>read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the Lord of the Rings
>trilogy.
>Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way of rebelling against
his
>bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a fabulous English
teacher
>in
>11th grade who got him to read again. He suggested that he watch a
>movie
>over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange. When he got back to
>school,
>the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when my son told him he
>thought
>it was great, his teacher told him if you liked the movie, you'll
really
>love the book. He came home and asked me for it. Of course, I
couldn't
>find it in my house so I ran to the library (on my day off!) to get
it
>for
>him. He read it that night, then read the rest of Burgess, moved on
to
>Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But he's reading again, and
I
>give full credit to that teacher.
>
>Stacy Alesi
>Southwest County Regional Library
>Boca Raton, Florida
>www.pbclibrary.org
>
>I am the BookBitch
>www.bookbitch.com
>January is BRAD MONTH!
>Win a free copy of either book --
>THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
>STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>......................................................................
>Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
>Everything Fiction_L: http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
***********************************
Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us

"I cannot live without books."

-Thomas Jefferson

"Whatever the cost of libraries, the
price is cheap compared to that of an
ignorant nation." -Walter Cronkite
***********************************

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End of Fiction_L Digest

FROM: "Alyson Gloin" <[removed]@tpl.toronto.on.ca>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 3:18 PM

The first three titles below might be considered "edgy" in their treatment of drug use:
Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh (readers do have to contend with the Edinburgh dialect)
Basketball diaries - Jim Carroll (non-fiction)
The story of junk - Linda Yablonsky

Other "edgy" titles:
Foxfire: the story of a girl gang - Joyce Carol Oates
Morvern Callar - Alan Warner

Less edgy, but funny (and subversive in its own way) is Delia Ephron's How to eat like a child and other lessons in not being a grown up
I've also recommended "edgy" non-fiction titles to reluctant readers on topics such as gangs and serial killers. Ed Gein-Psycho by Paul Anthony Woods and Monster: the story of an LA Crip by Samyika Shakur jump to mind.

Were I a parent some of these titles might startle me if I saw them in the hands of my child. As a librarian I can say they are fine reading for older teens.

>>> "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org> 01/08/04 03:00PM >>>
Fiction_L Digest #3262 - Thursday, January 8, 2004

FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the year)
by "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
The Last Samurai compilation
by "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the year)
From: "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:49:51 -0500

The incident that led to my mother giving me free rein in selecting my reading came when I was about 8 or 9. As she was tucking me into bed I sweetly, or so I imagine, asked "Mommy, what's circumcision mean?" She gulped several times, then asked me where I'd come across that word. "The Bible." End of any potential censorship.

Sue Bowser
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: celmore <[removed]@westga.edu>
Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0500

The remarks about growing up in a library with different age-group
library cards brought back memories. My library wouldn't allow me
in the adult section until I was in the 9th grade.
I was soooo excited to reach that grade because I had read everything
of interest to me in the children's room. My mother said that although
I had an adult card, she wanted to pick out my books for a while, there
were some she didn't want me reading.
She picked out 5 or 6 the first time. On the way home I started reading
in the car...the book was about a college kid who took girls up to his
parents' mountain cabin for "interesting" encounters...I still remember it
as being one of the sexiest books I have ever read. Don't remember the title!
I finished the book and gave it to my mother. She read part of it, throw up
her hands and said, "you're on your own...read anything you want!
And I very happily have.
Carole Elmore

Carole Elmore
Public Services Librarian
Newnan-Coweta Public Library


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Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:51:47 -0800 (PST)

I should mention that both School Library Journal
and YALSA compile annual lists of Best Adult
Books for Young Adults. There may be others out
there as well - not sure. You can find YALSA's
Alex awards at:
http://www.ala.org/Content/NavigationMenu/YALSA/Booklists_and_Book_Awards/Alex_Awards/Alex_Awards.htm

and here are some of the SLJ's awards:
1995:
Banks, Russell Rule of the Bone
Binstock, R. C. Tree of Heaven
Campbell, Bebe Moore Brothers and Sisters
Gaarder, Jostein Sophie's World
Gunesekera, Romesh Reef
Kress, Nancy Beggars and Choosers
McCrumb, Sharyn She Walks These Hills
Mosher, Howard Frank Northern Borders
Walker, Mary Willis Under the Beetle's Cellar
Watson, Larry Justice
West, Dorothy Herbert The Wedding
1996:
Butler, Octavia E. Bloodchild
Cooperstein, Claire Johanna
Cross, Donna Woolfolk Pope Joan
Harris, Robert Enigma
1997:
Adams, Richard Tales from Watership Down
Berg, Elizabeth Joy School
Carey, Jacqueline The Other Family
Frazier, Charles Cold Mountain
Hall, Brian The Saskiad
Preston, Douglas J. Reliquary
Revoyr, Nina The Necessary Hunger
Trice, Dawn Turner Only Twice I've Wished for
Heaven
Welter, John I Want to Buy a Vowel
1998:
Barr, Nevada Blind Descent
Cox, Elizabeth Night Talk
DeSai, Kiran The Hullabaloo in the Guava Orchard

Garcia y Robertson, Rodrigo American Woman
King, Laurie R. The Moor
Pellegrino, Charles R. Dust
Senna, Danzy Caucasia
Wilhelm, Kate The Good Children
1999:
Card, Orson Scott Ender's Shadow
Fuqua, Jonathon Scott The Reappearance of Sam
Webber
Hoffman, Alice Local Girls
King, Lily The Pleasing Hour
Preston, Douglas J. Thunderhead
2000:
Brady, James The Marines of Autumn
Chevalier, Tracy Girl With a Pearl Earring
Danvers, Dennis The Fourth World
Hyde, Catherine Ryan Pay It Forward
Lebert, Benjamin Crazy
McCann, Colum Everything in This Country Must
Schwarz, Christina Drowning Ruth
Stolz, Karen World of Pies
Updike, John Gertrude and Claudius
Wells, Ken Meely LaBauve
2001:
Ballard, Allen B. Where I'm Bound
Bujold, Lois McMaster Curse of Chalion
Hamilton, Jane Disobedience
Oltion, Jerry Abandon in Place
Tobin, Betsy Bone House
Willis, Connie Passage
2002:

--- Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us> wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level
> books that would work for
> Young Adults who would love to read something
> edgy and unusual. (Books
> similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that
> her son enjoyed such as A
> Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston
> Ellis.) I have some street smart
> older kids that come in to look for something
> to read and I would love to
> give them a list of books that will suprise
> them. Please send suggestions
> for the books and maybe a title for the
> bibliography.
> I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's
> Handbook by Craig Clevenger
>
> Ellen Olson
> Rockford Public Library
> Rockford IL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bookbitch
> To: Fiction_L
> Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: why kids hate reading &
> books/movies
>
> This is tying a couple of threads
> together...you described my son
> perfectly.
> He was a voracious reader until he hit middle
> school - the last thing he
> read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the
> Lord of the Rings
> trilogy.
> Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way
> of rebelling against his
> bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a
> fabulous English teacher
> in
> 11th grade who got him to read again. He
> suggested that he watch a
> movie
> over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange.
> When he got back to
> school,
> the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when
> my son told him he
> thought
> it was great, his teacher told him if you liked
> the movie, you'll really
> love the book. He came home and asked me for
> it. Of course, I couldn't
> find it in my house so I ran to the library (on
> my day off!) to get it
> for
> him. He read it that night, then read the rest
> of Burgess, moved on to
> Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But
> he's reading again, and I
> give full credit to that teacher.
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Boca Raton, Florida
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
> I am the BookBitch
> www.bookbitch.com
> January is BRAD MONTH!
> Win a free copy of either book --
> THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
> STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>
......................................................................
> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the
> archives?
> Everything Fiction_L:
> http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>
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Subject: The Last Samurai compilation
From: "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:52:52

Thanks to all who contributed to the request for "The Last Samurai"!

In addition to James Clavell's "Shogun", the following are several more
recommendations for patrons:

Novels

Furutani, Dale - historical mysteries

Haugaard, Erik - samurai books

Hearn, Lian - "Across the Nightingale Floor" (Tales of the Otori, Book 1)
and "Grass for His Pillow"
(Tales of the Otori, Book 2)

Matsuoka, Takashi - "Cloud of Sparrows"

Rowland, Laura Joh - historical mysteries

Yoshikawa, Eiji - "Musashi" and "Taiko"

Non-fiction:

Munenori, Yagyu - "The Sword and the Mind" and "The Way of the Living Sword"

Musashi, Miyamoto - "Book of Five Rings"

Ravina, Mark - "The Last Samurai"

Soho, Takuan - "The Unfettered Mind"

***********************************
Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us

"I cannot live without books."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Whatever the cost of libraries, the
price is cheap compared to that of an
ignorant nation." -Walter Cronkite
***********************************

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:54:05 -0800 (PST)

oops, accidentally sent too fast -
2002:
Bardi, Abby The Book of Fred
Danvers, Dennis The Watch
Fforde, Jasper The Eyre Affair
Hearn, Lian Across the Nightingale Floor
Holthe, Tess Uriza When the Elephants Dance
Kidd, Sue Monk The Secret Life of Bees
Oltion, Jerry The Getaway Special
Sebold, Alice The Lovely Bones

=====
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Their tastes may not be the same."

-George Bernard Shaw

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FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 3:35 PM

OK, I confess my ignorance. What is 'edgy'? Is it that postmodernist
meanspirited hipness that pervades TV these days?

Kathleen Stipek, Alachua County Library District (FMG), 401 East University
Avenue, Gainesville, Florida 32601 (352-334-3939; fax 352-334-3948)

"Non, merci."
--Cyrano de Bergerac

-----Original Message-----
From: Alyson Gloin [[removed]@tpl.toronto.on.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:07 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?

The first three titles below might be considered "edgy" in their treatment
of drug use:
Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh (readers do have to contend with the Edinburgh
dialect)
Basketball diaries - Jim Carroll (non-fiction)
The story of junk - Linda Yablonsky

Other "edgy" titles:
Foxfire: the story of a girl gang - Joyce Carol Oates
Morvern Callar - Alan Warner

Less edgy, but funny (and subversive in its own way) is Delia Ephron's How
to eat like a child and other lessons in not being a grown up
I've also recommended "edgy" non-fiction titles to reluctant readers on
topics such as gangs and serial killers. Ed Gein-Psycho by Paul Anthony
Woods and Monster: the story of an LA Crip by Samyika Shakur jump to mind.

Were I a parent some of these titles might startle me if I saw them in the
hands of my child. As a librarian I can say they are fine reading for older
teens.

>>> "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org> 01/08/04 03:00PM >>>
Fiction_L Digest #3262 - Thursday, January 8, 2004

FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the year)
by "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
The Last Samurai compilation
by "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the
year)
From: "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:49:51 -0500

The incident that led to my mother giving me free rein in selecting my
reading came when I was about 8 or 9. As she was tucking me into bed I
sweetly, or so I imagine, asked "Mommy, what's circumcision mean?" She
gulped several times, then asked me where I'd come across that word. "The
Bible." End of any potential censorship.

Sue Bowser
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: celmore <[removed]@westga.edu>
Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0500

The remarks about growing up in a library with different age-group
library cards brought back memories. My library wouldn't allow me
in the adult section until I was in the 9th grade.
I was soooo excited to reach that grade because I had read everything
of interest to me in the children's room. My mother said that although
I had an adult card, she wanted to pick out my books for a while, there
were some she didn't want me reading.
She picked out 5 or 6 the first time. On the way home I started reading
in the car...the book was about a college kid who took girls up to his
parents' mountain cabin for "interesting" encounters...I still remember it
as being one of the sexiest books I have ever read. Don't remember the
title!
I finished the book and gave it to my mother. She read part of it, throw up
her hands and said, "you're on your own...read anything you want!
And I very happily have.
Carole Elmore

Carole Elmore
Public Services Librarian
Newnan-Coweta Public Library


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Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:51:47 -0800 (PST)

I should mention that both School Library Journal
and YALSA compile annual lists of Best Adult
Books for Young Adults. There may be others out
there as well - not sure. You can find YALSA's
Alex awards at:
http://www.ala.org/Content/NavigationMenu/YALSA/Booklists_and_Book_Awards/Al
ex_Awards/Alex_Awards.htm

and here are some of the SLJ's awards:
1995:
Banks, Russell Rule of the Bone
Binstock, R. C. Tree of Heaven
Campbell, Bebe Moore Brothers and Sisters
Gaarder, Jostein Sophie's World
Gunesekera, Romesh Reef
Kress, Nancy Beggars and Choosers
McCrumb, Sharyn She Walks These Hills
Mosher, Howard Frank Northern Borders
Walker, Mary Willis Under the Beetle's Cellar
Watson, Larry Justice
West, Dorothy Herbert The Wedding
1996:
Butler, Octavia E. Bloodchild
Cooperstein, Claire Johanna
Cross, Donna Woolfolk Pope Joan
Harris, Robert Enigma
1997:
Adams, Richard Tales from Watership Down
Berg, Elizabeth Joy School
Carey, Jacqueline The Other Family
Frazier, Charles Cold Mountain
Hall, Brian The Saskiad
Preston, Douglas J. Reliquary
Revoyr, Nina The Necessary Hunger
Trice, Dawn Turner Only Twice I've Wished for
Heaven
Welter, John I Want to Buy a Vowel
1998:
Barr, Nevada Blind Descent
Cox, Elizabeth Night Talk
DeSai, Kiran The Hullabaloo in the Guava Orchard

Garcia y Robertson, Rodrigo American Woman
King, Laurie R. The Moor
Pellegrino, Charles R. Dust
Senna, Danzy Caucasia
Wilhelm, Kate The Good Children
1999:
Card, Orson Scott Ender's Shadow
Fuqua, Jonathon Scott The Reappearance of Sam
Webber
Hoffman, Alice Local Girls
King, Lily The Pleasing Hour
Preston, Douglas J. Thunderhead
2000:
Brady, James The Marines of Autumn
Chevalier, Tracy Girl With a Pearl Earring
Danvers, Dennis The Fourth World
Hyde, Catherine Ryan Pay It Forward
Lebert, Benjamin Crazy
McCann, Colum Everything in This Country Must
Schwarz, Christina Drowning Ruth
Stolz, Karen World of Pies
Updike, John Gertrude and Claudius
Wells, Ken Meely LaBauve
2001:
Ballard, Allen B. Where I'm Bound
Bujold, Lois McMaster Curse of Chalion
Hamilton, Jane Disobedience
Oltion, Jerry Abandon in Place
Tobin, Betsy Bone House
Willis, Connie Passage
2002:

--- Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us> wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level
> books that would work for
> Young Adults who would love to read something
> edgy and unusual. (Books
> similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that
> her son enjoyed such as A
> Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston
> Ellis.) I have some street smart
> older kids that come in to look for something
> to read and I would love to
> give them a list of books that will suprise
> them. Please send suggestions
> for the books and maybe a title for the
> bibliography.
> I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's
> Handbook by Craig Clevenger
>
> Ellen Olson
> Rockford Public Library
> Rockford IL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bookbitch
> To: Fiction_L
> Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: why kids hate reading &
> books/movies
>
> This is tying a couple of threads
> together...you described my son
> perfectly.
> He was a voracious reader until he hit middle
> school - the last thing he
> read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the
> Lord of the Rings
> trilogy.
> Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way
> of rebelling against his
> bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a
> fabulous English teacher
> in
> 11th grade who got him to read again. He
> suggested that he watch a
> movie
> over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange.
> When he got back to
> school,
> the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when
> my son told him he
> thought
> it was great, his teacher told him if you liked
> the movie, you'll really
> love the book. He came home and asked me for
> it. Of course, I couldn't
> find it in my house so I ran to the library (on
> my day off!) to get it
> for
> him. He read it that night, then read the rest
> of Burgess, moved on to
> Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But
> he's reading again, and I
> give full credit to that teacher.
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Boca Raton, Florida
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
> I am the BookBitch
> www.bookbitch.com
> January is BRAD MONTH!
> Win a free copy of either book --
> THE ZERO GAME by Brad Meltzer
> STATE OF THE UNION by Brad Thor
>
>
>
>
......................................................................
> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the
> archives?
> Everything Fiction_L:
> http://fictionl.webrary.org
>
>
......................................................................
> Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the
> archives?
> Everything Fiction_L:
http://fictionl.webrary.org

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Their tastes may not be the same."

-George Bernard Shaw

__________________________________
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Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes
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Subject: The Last Samurai compilation
From: "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:52:52

Thanks to all who contributed to the request for "The Last Samurai"!

In addition to James Clavell's "Shogun", the following are several more
recommendations for patrons:

Novels

Furutani, Dale - historical mysteries

Haugaard, Erik - samurai books

Hearn, Lian - "Across the Nightingale Floor" (Tales of the Otori, Book 1)
and "Grass for His Pillow"
(Tales of the Otori, Book 2)

Matsuoka, Takashi - "Cloud of Sparrows"

Rowland, Laura Joh - historical mysteries

Yoshikawa, Eiji - "Musashi" and "Taiko"

Non-fiction:

Munenori, Yagyu - "The Sword and the Mind" and "The Way of the Living Sword"

Musashi, Miyamoto - "Book of Five Rings"

Ravina, Mark - "The Last Samurai"

Soho, Takuan - "The Unfettered Mind"

***********************************
Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us

"I cannot live without books."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Whatever the cost of libraries, the
price is cheap compared to that of an
ignorant nation." -Walter Cronkite
***********************************

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:54:05 -0800 (PST)

oops, accidentally sent too fast -
2002:
Bardi, Abby The Book of Fred
Danvers, Dennis The Watch
Fforde, Jasper The Eyre Affair
Hearn, Lian Across the Nightingale Floor
Holthe, Tess Uriza When the Elephants Dance
Kidd, Sue Monk The Secret Life of Bees
Oltion, Jerry The Getaway Special
Sebold, Alice The Lovely Bones

=====
"Do not do unto others as you would they should do unto you.
Their tastes may not be the same."

-George Bernard Shaw

__________________________________
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Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes
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FROM: Lindy Pratch <[removed]@EPL.CA>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 4:17 PM

I've compiled an annotated list of adult level books for teens that are
looking for reading beyond the YA section; some of the titles could be
considered edgy and unusual.
http://www/EPLMaster.cfm?id=ADULTNOVELSF0001

Lindy Pratch
Edmonton Public Library

FROM: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@glendaleaz.com>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 4:23 PM

Okay, what is the address, really? I tried this one (cuz it looks interesting!) and it didn't work. I even changed the slash after the www to a period.

Thanks,
Lisa

Lisa Colcord
Librarian
Glendale Public library
Glendale, AZ

....my views are my own....

-The secret to life is enjoying the passage of time- James Taylor

>>> [removed]@EPL.CA 01/08/04 03:09PM >>>
I've compiled an annotated list of adult level books for teens that are
looking for reading beyond the YA section; some of the titles could be
considered edgy and unusual.
http://www/EPLMaster.cfm?id=ADULTNOVELSF0001

Lindy Pratch
Edmonton Public Library

FROM: Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 4:45 PM

I guess everyone has their own idea of edgy. The closest that I could get is
this definition from Cassell's Dictionary of Slang for edge city. "The
extremes of experience, whether spiritual, physical, drug induced or
whatever; usu. with overtones of fear and challenge."

My first experience with what I would have termed edgy came when I was a
teenager and read Ray Bradbury's The Illustrated Man because the cover
featured a naked man with tattoos all over his body. I thought that The
Veldt was edgy at the time (still do) but I suppose that it might be
considered pretty tame for some of today's readers.

Ellen Olson
Rockford Public Library

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:29 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?

OK, I confess my ignorance. What is 'edgy'? Is it that postmodernist
meanspirited hipness that pervades TV these days?

Kathleen Stipek, Alachua County Library District (FMG), 401 East University
Avenue, Gainesville, Florida 32601 (352-334-3939; fax 352-334-3948)

"Non, merci."
--Cyrano de Bergerac

-----Original Message-----
From: Alyson Gloin [[removed]@tpl.toronto.on.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:07 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?

The first three titles below might be considered "edgy" in their treatment
of drug use:
Trainspotting - Irvine Welsh (readers do have to contend with the Edinburgh
dialect)
Basketball diaries - Jim Carroll (non-fiction)
The story of junk - Linda Yablonsky

Other "edgy" titles:
Foxfire: the story of a girl gang - Joyce Carol Oates
Morvern Callar - Alan Warner

Less edgy, but funny (and subversive in its own way) is Delia Ephron's How
to eat like a child and other lessons in not being a grown up
I've also recommended "edgy" non-fiction titles to reluctant readers on
topics such as gangs and serial killers. Ed Gein-Psycho by Paul Anthony
Woods and Monster: the story of an LA Crip by Samyika Shakur jump to mind.

Were I a parent some of these titles might startle me if I saw them in the
hands of my child. As a librarian I can say they are fine reading for older
teens.

>>> "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org> 01/08/04 03:00PM >>>
Fiction_L Digest #3262 - Thursday, January 8, 2004

FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the year)
by "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
The Last Samurai compilation
by "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
by "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: FWD: RE: why kids hate reading (was: Some fun for the end of the
year)
From: "Sue Bowser" <[removed]@lancaster.lib.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:49:51 -0500

The incident that led to my mother giving me free rein in selecting my
reading came when I was about 8 or 9. As she was tucking me into bed I
sweetly, or so I imagine, asked "Mommy, what's circumcision mean?" She
gulped several times, then asked me where I'd come across that word. "The
Bible." End of any potential censorship.

Sue Bowser
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: celmore <[removed]@westga.edu>
Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0500

The remarks about growing up in a library with different age-group
library cards brought back memories. My library wouldn't allow me
in the adult section until I was in the 9th grade.
I was soooo excited to reach that grade because I had read everything
of interest to me in the children's room. My mother said that although
I had an adult card, she wanted to pick out my books for a while, there
were some she didn't want me reading.
She picked out 5 or 6 the first time. On the way home I started reading
in the car...the book was about a college kid who took girls up to his
parents' mountain cabin for "interesting" encounters...I still remember it
as being one of the sexiest books I have ever read. Don't remember the
title!
I finished the book and gave it to my mother. She read part of it, throw up
her hands and said, "you're on your own...read anything you want!
And I very happily have.
Carole Elmore

Carole Elmore
Public Services Librarian
Newnan-Coweta Public Library


---
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Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:51:47 -0800 (PST)

I should mention that both School Library Journal
and YALSA compile annual lists of Best Adult
Books for Young Adults. There may be others out
there as well - not sure. You can find YALSA's
Alex awards at:
http://www.ala.org/Content/NavigationMenu/YALSA/Booklists_and_Book_Awards/Al
ex_Awards/Alex_Awards.htm

and here are some of the SLJ's awards:
1995:
Banks, Russell Rule of the Bone
Binstock, R. C. Tree of Heaven
Campbell, Bebe Moore Brothers and Sisters
Gaarder, Jostein Sophie's World
Gunesekera, Romesh Reef
Kress, Nancy Beggars and Choosers
McCrumb, Sharyn She Walks These Hills
Mosher, Howard Frank Northern Borders
Walker, Mary Willis Under the Beetle's Cellar
Watson, Larry Justice
West, Dorothy Herbert The Wedding
1996:
Butler, Octavia E. Bloodchild
Cooperstein, Claire Johanna
Cross, Donna Woolfolk Pope Joan
Harris, Robert Enigma
1997:
Adams, Richard Tales from Watership Down
Berg, Elizabeth Joy School
Carey, Jacqueline The Other Family
Frazier, Charles Cold Mountain
Hall, Brian The Saskiad
Preston, Douglas J. Reliquary
Revoyr, Nina The Necessary Hunger
Trice, Dawn Turner Only Twice I've Wished for
Heaven
Welter, John I Want to Buy a Vowel
1998:
Barr, Nevada Blind Descent
Cox, Elizabeth Night Talk
DeSai, Kiran The Hullabaloo in the Guava Orchard

Garcia y Robertson, Rodrigo American Woman
King, Laurie R. The Moor
Pellegrino, Charles R. Dust
Senna, Danzy Caucasia
Wilhelm, Kate The Good Children
1999:
Card, Orson Scott Ender's Shadow
Fuqua, Jonathon Scott The Reappearance of Sam
Webber
Hoffman, Alice Local Girls
King, Lily The Pleasing Hour
Preston, Douglas J. Thunderhead
2000:
Brady, James The Marines of Autumn
Chevalier, Tracy Girl With a Pearl Earring
Danvers, Dennis The Fourth World
Hyde, Catherine Ryan Pay It Forward
Lebert, Benjamin Crazy
McCann, Colum Everything in This Country Must
Schwarz, Christina Drowning Ruth
Stolz, Karen World of Pies
Updike, John Gertrude and Claudius
Wells, Ken Meely LaBauve
2001:
Ballard, Allen B. Where I'm Bound
Bujold, Lois McMaster Curse of Chalion
Hamilton, Jane Disobedience
Oltion, Jerry Abandon in Place
Tobin, Betsy Bone House
Willis, Connie Passage
2002:

--- Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us> wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of adult level
> books that would work for
> Young Adults who would love to read something
> edgy and unusual. (Books
> similar to the ones Stacy Alesi mentioned that
> her son enjoyed such as A
> Clockwork Orange and books by Bret Eston
> Ellis.) I have some street smart
> older kids that come in to look for something
> to read and I would love to
> give them a list of books that will suprise
> them. Please send suggestions
> for the books and maybe a title for the
> bibliography.
> I'll start by suggesting The Contortionist's
> Handbook by Craig Clevenger
>
> Ellen Olson
> Rockford Public Library
> Rockford IL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bookbitch
> To: Fiction_L
> Sent: 1/8/2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: why kids hate reading &
> books/movies
>
> This is tying a couple of threads
> together...you described my son
> perfectly.
> He was a voracious reader until he hit middle
> school - the last thing he
> read voluntarily, that wasn't assigned, was the
> Lord of the Rings
> trilogy.
> Then he stopped, and I figured that was his way
> of rebelling against his
> bookseller mother. He was fortunate to have a
> fabulous English teacher
> in
> 11th grade who got him to read again. He
> suggested that he watch a
> movie
> over the Christmas break - A Clockwork Orange.
> When he got back to
> school,
> the teacher asked him how he liked it, and when
> my son told him he
> thought
> it was great, his teacher told him if you liked
> the movie, you'll really
> love the book. He came home and asked me for
> it. Of course, I couldn't
> find it in my house so I ran to the library (on
> my day off!) to get it
> for
> him. He read it that night, then read the rest
> of Burgess, moved on to
> Brett Easton Ellis and slowed down again. But
> he's reading again, and I
> give full credit to that teacher.
>
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Subject: The Last Samurai compilation
From: "Maureen Socha" <[removed]@carmel.lib.in.us>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:52:52

Thanks to all who contributed to the request for "The Last Samurai"!

In addition to James Clavell's "Shogun", the following are several more
recommendations for patrons:

Novels

Furutani, Dale - historical mysteries

Haugaard, Erik - samurai books

Hearn, Lian - "Across the Nightingale Floor" (Tales of the Otori, Book 1)
and "Grass for His Pillow"
(Tales of the Otori, Book 2)

Matsuoka, Takashi - "Cloud of Sparrows"

Rowland, Laura Joh - historical mysteries

Yoshikawa, Eiji - "Musashi" and "Taiko"

Non-fiction:

Munenori, Yagyu - "The Sword and the Mind" and "The Way of the Living Sword"

Musashi, Miyamoto - "Book of Five Rings"

Ravina, Mark - "The Last Samurai"

Soho, Takuan - "The Unfettered Mind"

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Maureen A. Socha
Readers' Advisory Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
55 4th Ave SE
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 814-3948
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Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
From: "David Wright" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:54:05 -0800 (PST)

oops, accidentally sent too fast -
2002:
Bardi, Abby The Book of Fred
Danvers, Dennis The Watch
Fforde, Jasper The Eyre Affair
Hearn, Lian Across the Nightingale Floor
Holthe, Tess Uriza When the Elephants Dance
Kidd, Sue Monk The Secret Life of Bees
Oltion, Jerry The Getaway Special
Sebold, Alice The Lovely Bones

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FROM: "Bruce Bumbalough" <[removed]@grapevine.lib.tx.us>
REC'D: 1/8/04, 4:50 PM

This link works:
http://www.epl.ca/EPLMaster.cfm?id=ADULTNOVELSF0001
Bruce L. Bumbalough

Reference Librarian
Grapevine Public Library
Grapevine, Texas 76051

email: [removed]@grapevine.lib.tx.us
Voice: (817) 410-3404
Fax: (817) 410-3084

FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 9:10 AM

>From: Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us>
>Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:57:13 -0600
>
> I would like to compile a list of adult level books that would work for
>Young Adults who would love to read something edgy and unusual.

Many teens, asked who their favorite author is, reply "Steven King!" And
boys especially are often quite taken with John Sanford's psycho-killer
novels.

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FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 9:15 AM

>From: "ROBIN BEERBOWER" <[removed]@mail.open.org>
>Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?
>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:34:17 -0800
>
>However, I must admit to reading VALLEY OF THE DOLLS when I was 12,
>despite the librarian telling me it was way too adult for me. I'm sure
>much of it went over my head (this was the mid-60s, remember) but I
>don't *think* it harmed me...

Compared to some of the stuff that is published nowadays, it's probably very
mild! As would be "Peyton Place" and "Return to...," by Grace Metalious,
which were considered quite daring in their day.

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FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 9:26 AM

William Gibson's cyberpunk is another possibility. And Mercedes Lackey's
Diana Trgarde Investigations: she had to stop writing the series because of
the less-than-positive stalke-type e-mail she got about it!

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FROM: "Steve Roman" <[removed]@NILS.LIB.IL.US>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 11:09 AM

I absolutely agree. Neuromancer would be an excellent choice for teens.

Steven A. Roman
DeKalb Public Library
309 Oak Street
DeKalb, IL 60115
815-758-2383

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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:23 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: why kids hate reading...Can I start a list?

William Gibson's cyberpunk is another possibility. And Mercedes Lackey's
Diana Trgarde Investigations: she had to stop writing the series because of
the less-than-positive stalke-type e-mail she got about it!

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FROM: Lindy Pratch <[removed]@EPL.CA>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 2:22 PM

Subject: Re: Adult level books for young adults
From: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@glendaleaz.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:20:39 -0700

>Okay, what is the address, really? I tried this one (cuz it looks
interesting!) and it didn't work. I even changed the slash >after the www to
a period.

Sorry Lisa, and to anyone else who tried the link. I used an internal
address. This should work:
http://www.epl.ca/EPLMaster.cfm?id=BOOKLISTYOUT

Lindy Pratch
Edmonton Public Library

FROM: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@glendaleaz.com>
REC'D: 1/9/04, 3:59 PM

That's okay. Thanks for resending. Great page, by the way!

Lisa

Lisa Colcord
Librarian
Glendale Public library
Glendale, AZ

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-The secret to life is enjoying the passage of time- James Taylor

>>> [removed]@EPL.CA 01/09/04 01:15PM >>>
Subject: Re: Adult level books for young adults
From: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@glendaleaz.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:20:39 -0700

>Okay, what is the address, really? I tried this one (cuz it looks
interesting!) and it didn't work. I even changed the slash >after the www to
a period.

Sorry Lisa, and to anyone else who tried the link. I used an internal
address. This should work:
http://www.epl.ca/EPLMaster.cfm?id=BOOKLISTYOUT

Lindy Pratch
Edmonton Public Library

FROM: Ellen Olson <[removed]@rockford.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 1/22/04, 4:52 PM

Thanks so much for the great response to the edgy fiction for Young Adults
request! I started working on the first list, and after checking the Webrary
site, I found that the other (Adult Fiction for Young Adults) might be
helpful for more general RA. The list called "Fiction on the Edge" (thanks
for allowing me to steal your bookmark title, Maureen) may contain lots of
sex, violence, drug abuse, etc., so you may want to pick and choose the
titles to recommend. I apologize for any postings that I failed to list.

Fiction on the Edge
Banks, Russell - Rule of the Bone
Belle, Jennifer - Going Down
Brooks, Kevin - Lucas
Burgess, Anthony - A Clockwork Orange
Christensen, Kate - In the Drink
Clevenger, Craig - The Contortionist's Handbook
Coupland, Douglas - Shampoo Planet
Davidson, Toni - Scar Culture
Dunn, Katherine - Geek Love
Ellis, Bret Easton - American Psycho
Frank, Hillary - Better Than Running at Night
Gibson, William - Neuromancer
Heller, Ted - Slab Rat
Hornburg, Michael - Bongwater
Kennedy, Pagan - Stripping and Other Stories
Moore, Christopher - Bloodsucking Fiends
Nelson, Blake - Exile
Oates, Joyce carol - Foxfire: The Story of a Girl Gang
Palanuik, Chuck - Fight Club
Selby Jr., Hubert - Requiem for a Dream
Sutcliffe, William - Are You Experienced?
Turner, Frank Hollon - A Thin Difference
Warner, Alan - Movern Caller
Welsh, Irvine - Trainspotting
Yablonsky, Linda - The Story of Junk

Nonfiction on the Edge
Carroll, Jim - The Basketball Diaries
Scott, Kody, (Shakur, Samyika aka Monster Kody Scott) - Monster: The
Autobiography of an LA Gang Member
Woods, Paul Anthony - Ed Gein--Psycho!

Fiction authors - body of work
William Gibson
Steven King
Mercedes Lackey's Diana Tregarde Investigations
Chuck Palahnuik
John Sanford

Adult fiction for YAs (many of these were from other library's lists and
some of the SLJ award winners - suggested by Fiction_L subscribers)
Adams, Richard - Tales from Watership Down
Bach, Richard - Jonathan Livingston Seagull
Ballard, Allen B. - Where I'm Bound
Banks, Russel - Rule of the Bone
Bardi, Abby - The Book of Fred
Barr, Nevada - Blind Descent
Berg, Elizabeth - Joy School
Binstock, R. C. - Tree of Heaven
Bradley, Marion Zimmer - Mists of Avalon
Brady, James - The Marines of Autumn
Bujold, Lois McMaster - Curse of Chalion
Butler, Octavia E. - Bloodchild
Campbell, Bebe Moore - Brothers and Sisters
Card, Orson Scott - Ender's Shadow
Carey, Jacqueline - The Other Family
Chevalier, Tracy - Girl With a Pearl Earring
Coelho, Paulo - Alchemist
Cooperstein, Claire - Johanna
Cox, Elizabeth - Night Talk
Craven, Margaret - I Heard the Owl Call My Name
Cross, Donna Woolfolk - Pope Joan
Danvers, Dennis - The Watch, The Fourth World
DeSai, Kiran - The Hullabaloo in the Guava Orchard
Du Maurier, Daphne - Rebecca
Dunn, Mark - Ella Minnow Pea
Fforde, Jasper - The Eyre Affair
Frazier, Charles - Cold Mountain
Fuqua, Jonathon Scott - The Reappearance of Sam Webber
Gaardner, Jostein - Sophie's World
Gabaldon, Diana - Outlander
Garcia y Robertson, Rodrigo - American Woman
Grimes, Martha - Biting the Moon
Gunesekera, Romesh - Reef
Hall, Brian - The Saskiad
Hamilton, Jane - Disobedience
Harris, Robert - Enigma
Herbert, Frank - Dune
Hearn, Lian - Across the Nightingale Floor
Hinton, Lynne - Things I Know Best
Hoffman, Alice Local Girls
Holthe, Tess Uriza - When the Elephants Dance
Hyde, Catherine Ryan - Pay It Forward
Kay, Guy Gavriel - Fionavar Tapestry Trilogy
Kidd, Sue Monk - The Secret Live of Bees
King, Laurie R. - The Moor
King, Lily - The Pleasing Hour
Kress, Nancy - Beggars and Choosers
Lebert, Benjamin - Crazy
Lee, Harper - To Kill a Mockingbird
MacDonald, Ann-Marie - Fall on Your Knees
Martin, Steve - Shopgirl
McCann, Colum - Everything in This Country Must
McCaig, Donald - Nop's Trials
McCrumb, Sharyn - She Walks These Hills
McKinley, Robin - Deerskin
Moore, Christopher - Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood
Pal
Mosher, Howard Frank - Nothern Borders
O'Connell, Rebecca - Myrtle of Willendorf
Oltion, Jerry - The Getaway Special, Abandon in Place
Packer, Ann - Dive from Clausen's Pier
Pellegrino, Charles R. - Dust
Perrotta, Tom - The Wishbones
Preston, Douglas J. - Reliquary, Thunderhead
Revoyr, Nina - The Necessary Hunger
Riley, Judith Merkle - Vision of Light
Robinson, Kim Stanley - Years of Rice and Salt
Schaefer, Jack - Shane
Schwarz, Christina - Drowning Ruth
Sebold, Alice - The Lovely Bones
Senna, Danzy - Caucasia
Steward, Mary - Nine Coaches Waiting
Stolz, Karen - World of Pies
Tan, Amy - Joy Luck Club
Tobin, Betsy - Bone House
Trice, Dawn Turner - Only Twice I've Wished for Heaven
Updike, John - Gertrude and Claudius
Walker, Mary Willis - Under the Beetle's Cellar
Watson, Larry - Justice
Wells, Ken - Meely LaBauve
Welter, John - I Want to Buy a Vowel
West, Dorothy Herbert - The Wedding
Wickes, David - Killing Cold
Wilhelm, Kate - The Good Children
Willis, Connie - Passage
Willis, Sarah - Some Things Stay
Winton, Tim - Blueback: A Contemporary Fable

Ellen Olson
Rockford Public Library
Rockford Illinois

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