Sirsi
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FROM: "BookBitch" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 8:28 AM
What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through Libraries
B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow library patrons to
buy books from the e-tailer while at the library. Purchases can be
made from any library that has technology systems developed by Sirsi;
the library receives a percentage of the total sale. All of B&N.com's
regular terms, including discounts and free shipping for two or more
items, will apply. Books ordered through the library interface will be
delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on the B&N.com site.
Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily that "under the
new partnership the participants will have the B&N piece as part of
the standard package. So far, we have 1,739 customers that represent
10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the potential."
Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end user will eventually
donate those materials back to the library. This way it's a win-win
for everybody."
---------------
My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi, although we are not
expected to go live until August. This sounds like an interesting mix of
retail & library. Comments?
Stacy Alesi
Southwest County Regional Library
Palm Beach County Library System
www.pbclibrary.org
I am the BookBitch
www.bookbitch.com <http://www.bookbitch.com/>
Win a signed copy of THE SEDUCTION OF WATER
A new thriller by Carol Goodman, Jan. 1-31, 2003
FROM: Spencer Ms Martha <[removed]@usmc-mccs.org>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 9:20 AM
Martha Spencer
Base Librarian
Camp Lejeune, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: BookBitch [[removed]@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:20 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Sirsi
From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through Libraries
B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow library patrons to
buy books from the e-tailer while at the library. Purchases can be
made from any library that has technology systems developed by Sirsi;
the library receives a percentage of the total sale. All of B&N.com's
regular terms, including discounts and free shipping for two or more
items, will apply. Books ordered through the library interface will be
delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on the B&N.com site.
Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily that "under the
new partnership the participants will have the B&N piece as part of
the standard package. So far, we have 1,739 customers that represent
10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the potential."
Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end user will eventually
donate those materials back to the library. This way it's a win-win
for everybody."
---------------
My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi, although we are not
expected to go live until August. This sounds like an interesting mix of
retail & library. Comments?
Stacy Alesi
Southwest County Regional Library
Palm Beach County Library System
www.pbclibrary.org
I am the BookBitch
www.bookbitch.com <http://www.bookbitch.com/>
Win a signed copy of THE SEDUCTION OF WATER
A new thriller by Carol Goodman, Jan. 1-31, 2003
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FROM: [removed]@aol.com
REC'D: 1/31/03, 11:38 AM
> Comments?
Comments? You bet! I am appalled that am otherwise respectable public
institution would even consider shilling for a commercial enterprise.
What a wonderful way to offend donors and patrons, all in one fell swoop!
What's next? Will you start selling circulation records? After all, if
Ashcroft can have them without a warrant, then why not Larry's Drugstore? I
can hear it now --
<ring> <ring>
"Hi, Mr Smith! This is Jerry over at Home Cheapo. I understand
you were looking at _How to build a deck_ the other day; and
you know, we'd like to help you with that. . . ."
I have personally donated almost $9000 to various libraries in the last two
years alone; but I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would
permanently cut off any one of them that allowed itself to become a
storefront for McBooks or anyone else. (After all, if they have McBooks, then
what do they need me for?)
Yes, you may get your current donors to concur; but you might as well geld
them: There will be no future generations. Yes, you may even finagle your tax
status; but you won't really deserve it: Either you're a public institution
or you're not.
Shame on Sirsi and shame on you if you bite their apple.
Jay Dillon
Jay Dillon / Rare Books & Manuscripts
ww.jaydillon.com
____________
In a message dated 1/31/03 9:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@yahoo.com writes:
> From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
>
> What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through Libraries
>
> B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow library patrons to
> buy books from the e-tailer while at the library. Purchases can be
> made from any library that has technology systems developed by Sirsi;
> the library receives a percentage of the total sale. All of B&N.com's
> regular terms, including discounts and free shipping for two or more
> items, will apply. Books ordered through the library interface will be
> delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on the B&N.com site.
>
> Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily that "under the
> new partnership the participants will have the B&N piece as part of
> the standard package. So far, we have 1,739 customers that represent
> 10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the potential."
>
> Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end user will eventually
> donate those materials back to the library. This way it's a win-win
> for everybody."
> ---------------
>
> My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi, although we are not
> expected to go live until August. This sounds like an interesting mix of
> retail & library. Comments?
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Palm Beach County Library System
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 12:10 PM
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
-----Original Message-----
From: Laura McCaffery [[removed]@acpl.lib.in.us]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: re: Sirsi
I find the idea repugnant. People can already buy the books online .
Granted, the user might have to use a few more keystrokes than from the
Sirsi page, but they could choose from which merchant to purchase. What
about the independent and local booksellers who may have more than a passing
inetrest in the local library system? Other bookselling chains might also
wish to get into the act. Somehow I do not see corporate B&N thinking
seriously of the fiscal health of public libraries. Can we now expect
pop-up ads from Sirsi?
>>> [removed]@aol.com 01/31/03 12:29 PM >>>
In a message dated 1/31/03 9:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@yahoo.com writes:
> Comments?
Comments? You bet! I am appalled that am otherwise respectable public
institution would even consider shilling for a commercial enterprise.
What a wonderful way to offend donors and patrons, all in one fell swoop!
What's next? Will you start selling circulation records? After all, if
Ashcroft can have them without a warrant, then why not Larry's Drugstore? I
can hear it now --
<ring> <ring>
"Hi, Mr Smith! This is Jerry over at Home Cheapo. I understand
you were looking at _How to build a deck_ the other day; and
you know, we'd like to help you with that. . . ."
I have personally donated almost $9000 to various libraries in the last two
years alone; but I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would
permanently cut off any one of them that allowed itself to become a
storefront for McBooks or anyone else. (After all, if they have McBooks,
then
what do they need me for?)
Yes, you may get your current donors to concur; but you might as well geld
them: There will be no future generations. Yes, you may even finagle your
tax
status; but you won't really eserve it: Either you're a public institution
or you're not.
Shame on Sirsi and shame on you if you bite their apple.
Jay Dillon
Jay Dillon / Rare Books & Manuscripts
ww.jaydillon.com
____________
In a message dated 1/31/03 9:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@yahoo.com writes:
> From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
>
> What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through Libraries
>
> B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow library patrons to
> buy books from the e-tailer while at the library. Purchases can be
> made from any library that has technology systems developed by Sirsi;
> the library receives a percentage of the total sale. All of B&N.com's
> regular terms, including discounts and free shipping for two or more
> items, will apply. Books ordered through the library interface will be
> delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on the B&N.com site.
>
> Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily that "under the
> new partnership the participants will have the B&N piece as part of
> the standard package. So far, we have 1,739 customers that represent
> 10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the potential."
>
> Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end user will eventually
> donate those materials back to the library. This way it's a win-win
> for everybody."
> ---------------
>
> My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi, although we are not
> expected to go live until August. This sounds like an interesting mix of
> retail & library. Comments?
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Palm Beach County Library System
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
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FROM: "Laura McCaffery" <[removed]@acpl.lib.in.us>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 12:10 PM
> Comments?
Comments? You bet! I am appalled that am otherwise respectable public
institution would even consider shilling for a commercial enterprise.
What a wonderful way to offend donors and patrons, all in one fell swoop!
What's next? Will you start selling circulation records? After all, if
Ashcroft can have them without a warrant, then why not Larry's Drugstore? I
can hear it now --
<ring> <ring>
"Hi, Mr Smith! This is Jerry over at Home Cheapo. I understand
you were looking at _How to build a deck_ the other day; and
you know, we'd like to help you with that. . . ."
I have personally donated almost $9000 to various libraries in the last two
years alone; but I can tell you with absolute certainty that I would
permanently cut off any one of them that allowed itself to become a
storefront for McBooks or anyone else. (After all, if they have McBooks, then
what do they need me for?)
Yes, you may get your current donors to concur; but you might as well geld
them: There will be no future generations. Yes, you may even finagle your tax
status; but you won't really eserve it: Either you're a public institution
or you're not.
Shame on Sirsi and shame on you if you bite their apple.
Jay Dillon
Jay Dillon / Rare Books & Manuscripts
ww.jaydillon.com
____________
In a message dated 1/31/03 9:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@yahoo.com writes:
> From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
>
> What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through Libraries
>
> B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow library patrons to
> buy books from the e-tailer while at the library. Purchases can be
> made from any library that has technology systems developed by Sirsi;
> the library receives a percentage of the total sale. All of B&N.com's
> regular terms, including discounts and free shipping for two or more
> items, will apply. Books ordered through the library interface will be
> delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on the B&N.com site.
>
> Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily that "under the
> new partnership the participants will have the B&N piece as part of
> the standard package. So far, we have 1,739 customers that represent
> 10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the potential."
>
> Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end user will eventually
> donate those materials back to the library. This way it's a win-win
> for everybody."
> ---------------
>
> My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi, although we are not
> expected to go live until August. This sounds like an interesting mix of
> retail & library. Comments?
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Palm Beach County Library System
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
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FROM: "Lynn K. Silence" <[removed]@imail.slcl.lib.mo.us>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 12:31 PM
Lynn K. Silence, Manager, Collection Development
St. Louis County Library
300 Clarkson Road
Ellisville, Missouri 63011
Voice: (636) 227-1138 Fax: (636) 227-9632
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absurdly knowledgeable. Their skills are probably very underestimated
and largely underemployed." Charles Medawar
FROM: "Dusty Gres" <[removed]@mail.toombs.public.lib.ga.us>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 1:03 PM
Dusty Gres, Director
Ohoopee Regional Library System
FROM: David Wright <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 1:14 PM
David Wright
Seattle Public Library
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FROM: "Roberta Johnson" <[removed]@dppl.org>
REC'D: 1/31/03, 3:49 PM
Roberta S. Johnson
Readers' Services Librarian
Des Plaines Public Library
1501 Ellinwood St. Des Plaines, IL 60016
www.dppl.org [removed]@dppl.org
FROM: "Frank Exner, Little Bear" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 2/2/03, 12:46 PM
My name is Frank Exner, Little Bear, and I am the
husband of Carol Exner (one of your listserv
members). She told me about this thread and we
discussed it. She suggested I send my responses.
I have concerns in three areas:
- Legal issues
- Budget issues
- Management issues
LEGAL ISSUES
Public libraries are government entities. They
cannot legally give advantage to one business over
another without a ritual bid process. This Sirsi
feature (as described) gives a huge advantage to B&N
over, say, Amazon.com. What do your lawyers say?
Given the connection between Sirsi and B&N, is a
contract with Sirsi just a contract with Sirsi, or
is it also a contract with B&N? What are the
implications?
BUDGET ISSUES
You might want to think of the situation of your
local schools. With budget disasters facing them,
they
accepted Channel One (for classroom education) and
Fast Food companies (for lunchroom services). Then
their budgets were cut further to match the money
paid by the private companies. Once gone, such money
is
almost impossible to recover. In an era that
believes in government on the cheap, public library
budgets are always targets.
MANAGEMENT ISSUES
Sirsi is a private corporation whose primary goal is
profit and if the public good is advanced, so much
the better. Public libraries are governmental
organizations whose primary goal is the public good
and if they make money, so much the better. But it is
inevitable that the private and the public goals that
are built into the system will come into conflict.
What happens then? Priorities will be established
by someone. If the private goal (profit)
predominates,
the community will receive less service. If the
public goal (patron service) predominates, the
company (a political heavyweight) will be very
unhappy.
Just a little dreary stuff for what is already a
horrible day.
Frank Exner, Little Bear
Librarian
Husband of a Librarian
Father of a Librarian
Father-in-law of a Librarian
> From: "BookBitch" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
> To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
> Subject: Sirsi
> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:19:43 -0500
>
>
> From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
>
> What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through
> Libraries
>
> B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow
> library patrons to buy books from the e-tailer while
> at the library. Purchases can be made from any
library > that has technology systems developed by
Sirsi;
> the library receives a percentage of the total sale.
> All of B&N.com's regular terms, including discounts
> and free shipping for two or more items, will apply.
>
> Books ordered through the library interface will be
> delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on
> the B&N.com site.
>
> Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily
> that "under the new partnership the participants
will > have the B&N piece as part of the standard
package. So > far, we have 1,739 customers that
represent
> 10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the
> potential."
>
> Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end
> user will eventually donate those materials back to
> the library. This way it's a win-win for everybody."
> ---------------
>
> My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi,
> although we are not expected to go live until
August. > This sounds like an interesting mix of
retail &
> library. Comments?
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Palm Beach County Library System
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
> I am the BookBitch
> www.bookbitch.com <http://www.bookbitch.com/>
>
>
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FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 2/3/03, 7:17 AM
........................................................................
.....................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Exner, Little Bear [[removed]@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: [FWD: Sirsi] Original message
Hi all,
My name is Frank Exner, Little Bear, and I am the
husband of Carol Exner (one of your listserv
members). She told me about this thread and we
discussed it. She suggested I send my responses.
I have concerns in three areas:
- Legal issues
- Budget issues
- Management issues
LEGAL ISSUES
Public libraries are government entities. They
cannot legally give advantage to one business over
another without a ritual bid process. This Sirsi
feature (as described) gives a huge advantage to B&N
over, say, Amazon.com. What do your lawyers say?
Given the connection between Sirsi and B&N, is a
contract with Sirsi just a contract with Sirsi, or
is it also a contract with B&N? What are the
implications?
BUDGET ISSUES
You might want to think of the situation of your
local schools. With budget disasters facing them,
they
accepted Channel One (for classroom education) and
Fast Food companies (for lunchroom services). Then
their budgets were cut further to match the money
paid by the private companies. Once gone, such money
is
almost impossible to recover. In an era that
believes in government on the cheap, public library
budgets are always targets.
MANAGEMENT ISSUES
Sirsi is a private corporation whose primary goal is
profit and if the public good is advanced, so much
the better. Public libraries are governmental
organizations whose primary goal is the public good
and if they make money, so much the better. But it is
inevitable that the private and the public goals that
are built into the system will come into conflict.
What happens then? Priorities will be established
by someone. If the private goal (profit)
predominates,
the community will receive less service. If the
public goal (patron service) predominates, the
company (a political heavyweight) will be very
unhappy.
Just a little dreary stuff for what is already a
horrible day.
Frank Exner, Little Bear
Librarian
Husband of a Librarian
Father of a Librarian
Father-in-law of a Librarian
> From: "BookBitch" <[removed]@yahoo.com>
> To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
> Subject: Sirsi
> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:19:43 -0500
>
>
> From PW Daily for Booksellers (January 30, 2003):
>
> What's the Due Date?: B&N.com to Sell Books Through
> Libraries
>
> B&N.com has teamed up with the Sirsi Corp. to allow
> library patrons to buy books from the e-tailer while
> at the library. Purchases can be made from any
library > that has technology systems developed by
Sirsi;
> the library receives a percentage of the total sale.
> All of B&N.com's regular terms, including discounts
> and free shipping for two or more items, will apply.
>
> Books ordered through the library interface will be
> delivered anywhere, just as when they are ordered on
> the B&N.com site.
>
> Sirsi spokesperson Stephanie Westbrook told PW Daily
> that "under the new partnership the participants
will > have the B&N piece as part of the standard
package. So > far, we have 1,739 customers that
represent
> 10,000-plus libraries around the globe. That is the
> potential."
>
> Westbrook added, "We also hope the patron and end
> user will eventually donate those materials back to
> the library. This way it's a win-win for everybody."
> ---------------
>
> My library is in the process of switching to Sirsi,
> although we are not expected to go live until
August. > This sounds like an interesting mix of
retail &
> library. Comments?
>
> Stacy Alesi
> Southwest County Regional Library
> Palm Beach County Library System
> www.pbclibrary.org
>
> I am the BookBitch
> www.bookbitch.com <http://www.bookbitch.com/>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up
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FROM: [removed]@park-ridge.lib.il.us
REC'D: 2/3/03, 11:30 AM
However, the bottom line is that is was very easy to take this button off
the screen so it shouldn't be a big issue for libraries looking at SIRSI.
Vivian Mortensen
Park Ridge Public Library
Park Ridge, IL 60068
FROM: "Kelly Benson" <[removed]@three-rivers-library.org>
REC'D: 2/4/03, 1:14 PM
> Last year when our cluster added iBistro, we looked at the BUY IT NOW
button
> on the front screen of SIRSI. We had the technician take it off for
various
> reasons:
> The main reason it was removed was because it was confusing. The average
> patron couldn't tell whether the button meant that patrons could "order"
the
> item for the Library or order it for themselves.
> It was unfair to local bookstores to have only one vendor represented.
Our
> cluster asked SIRSI if it was possible to connect the link to the
bookstore
> of our choice but that was not possible.
> Security was also an issue since many catalog computer users are not used
to
> logging out and could leave credit card information unsecured.
>
> However, the bottom line is that is was very easy to take this button off
> the screen so it shouldn't be a big issue for libraries looking at SIRSI.
>
Yes, our district just switched over to Sirsi and each library was allowed
to indicate what they do or do not allow. Sirsi has a feature allowing
patrons to look at websites that relate to a subject. As we do not want our
patrons surfing the web on our in library catalog stations (we have
dedicated Internet computers) we had the feature turned off. Also you can
set security up on your computers that will not allow Internet links other
than your catalog to appear. I think that you should not judge a entire
cataloging system on one factor without getting the full facts from Sirsi
itself, which is something that this list appears to be doing, jumping to
conclusions based on a press release.
Kelly Benson
Adult Services Librarian
Three Rivers Public Library-Channahon, IL
http://www.three-rivers-library.org
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