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FROM: "ROBIN BEERBOWER" <[removed]@mail.open.org>
REC'D: 1/11/02, 5:29 PM

We have a question regarding the cataloging of DIARY OF ELLEN RIMBAUER: My Life at Rose Red by Joyce Reardon. How is everyone cataloging this? Fiction or nonfiction? McNaughton copy arrived as 921 but when checked on OCLC it was cataloged as fiction so we changed it to fiction. However, according to the website, this is a true story and a real diary. Can anyone (David in Seattle maybe?) shed a little more light on this book?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, I do plan on doing the Diet Fiction list but this has been a crazy week and when given the choice of giving blood or doing the list, I'm happy to say I chose to give blood. I know you will all understand. :-)

Robin Beerbower
Salem (OR) Public Library
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FROM: Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org>
REC'D: 1/11/02, 9:12 PM

The book is the backstory for the upcoming Stephen King
miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the end of the month.

It is definitely fiction and was probably written by either Stephen
King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or the Kings have not
confirmed this.

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FROM: David Wright <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 1/12/02, 12:03 AM

Hi Robin, Joel -
Sorry I was offline earlier - Joel is right,
(of course) - but it certainly is a clever
website, masquerading as a university course -
and I've alerted our local history librarians to
expect questions about this, which we will no
doubt get.
-David

--- Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org> wrote:
> The book is the backstory for the upcoming
> Stephen King
> miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the
> end of the month.
>
> It is definitely fiction and was probably
> written by either Stephen
> King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or
> the Kings have not
> confirmed this.
>
>
>
>
**********************************************************************
> Joel W. Tscherne Email:
> [removed]@cpl.org
> Branch Manager
> Rice Branch Phone:
> (216)623-7046
> Cleveland Public Library Fax:
> (216)623-7049
> 2820 East 116th Street
> Cleveland, OH 44120-2111
> http://www.cpl.org
>
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>
>
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FROM: "Sarah Stein" <[removed]@denver.lib.co.us>
REC'D: 1/14/02, 8:47 AM

I just did this one last week, and we did it as fiction.

It tries to pretend to be real, BUT-- right on the book it says in tiny
print that it is fiction.

I have no idea if there is a basis in fact or not, but even if there is
it is treated as fiction now, with lots of conversation, etc.

Sarah

Sarah Stein
Senior Special Collections Librarian
Denver Public Library
Denver, Colorado, USA
[removed]@denver.lib.co.us

>>> [removed]@mail.open.org 01/11/02 04:19PM >>>
We have a question regarding the cataloging of DIARY OF ELLEN RIMBAUER:
My Life at Rose Red by Joyce Reardon. How is everyone cataloging this?
Fiction or nonfiction? McNaughton copy arrived as 921 but when checked
on OCLC it was cataloged as fiction so we changed it to fiction.
However, according to the website, this is a true story and a real
diary. Can anyone (David in Seattle maybe?) shed a little more light on
this book?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, I do plan on doing the Diet Fiction list but this has been a crazy
week and when given the choice of giving blood or doing the list, I'm
happy to say I chose to give blood. I know you will all understand.
:-)

Robin Beerbower
Salem (OR) Public Library
[removed]@open.org

FROM: Barb Borg-Jenkins <[removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us>
REC'D: 1/14/02, 8:38 PM

I might have missed the website if it was posted--would you please re-post
it? We have had a few questions about it.

Barbara Borg-Jenkins
South Haven Public Library
403 W 700 N
Valparaiso, In 46385


David Wright wrote:

> Hi Robin, Joel -
> Sorry I was offline earlier - Joel is right,
> (of course) - but it certainly is a clever
> website, masquerading as a university course -
> and I've alerted our local history librarians to
> expect questions about this, which we will no
> doubt get.
> -David
>
> --- Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org> wrote:
> > The book is the backstory for the upcoming
> > Stephen King
> > miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the
> > end of the month.
> >
> > It is definitely fiction and was probably
> > written by either Stephen
> > King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or
> > the Kings have not
> > confirmed this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> **********************************************************************
> > Joel W. Tscherne Email:
> > [removed]@cpl.org
> > Branch Manager
> > Rice Branch Phone:
> > (216)623-7046
> > Cleveland Public Library Fax:
> > (216)623-7049
> > 2820 East 116th Street
> > Cleveland, OH 44120-2111
> > http://www.cpl.org
> >
> **********************************************************************
> >
> >
> >
> ......................................................................
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FROM: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@ci.glendale.az.us>
REC'D: 1/14/02, 9:22 PM

www.beaumontuniversity.net

>>> [removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us 01/14/02 19:35 PM >>>
I might have missed the website if it was posted--would you please re-post
it? We have had a few questions about it.

Barbara Borg-Jenkins
South Haven Public Library
403 W 700 N
Valparaiso, In 46385


David Wright wrote:

> Hi Robin, Joel -
> Sorry I was offline earlier - Joel is right,
> (of course) - but it certainly is a clever
> website, masquerading as a university course -
> and I've alerted our local history librarians to
> expect questions about this, which we will no
> doubt get.
> -David
>
> --- Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org> wrote:
> > The book is the backstory for the upcoming
> > Stephen King
> > miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the
> > end of the month.
> >
> > It is definitely fiction and was probably
> > written by either Stephen
> > King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or
> > the Kings have not
> > confirmed this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> **********************************************************************
> > Joel W. Tscherne Email:
> > [removed]@cpl.org
> > Branch Manager
> > Rice Branch Phone:
> > (216)623-7046
> > Cleveland Public Library Fax:
> > (216)623-7049
> > 2820 East 116th Street
> > Cleveland, OH 44120-2111
> > http://www.cpl.org
> >
> **********************************************************************
> >
> >
> >
> ......................................................................
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> > archives?
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FROM: Barb Borg-Jenkins <[removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us>
REC'D: 1/15/02, 11:34 AM

Is the whole site bogus? Is there a Beaumont University? If you click on
anything else, *everything* is under construction.

Barbara Borg-Jenkins
South Haven Public Library
403 W 700 N
Valparaiso, IN 46385

Lisa Colcord wrote:

> www.beaumontuniversity.net
>
> >>> [removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us 01/14/02 19:35 PM >>>
> I might have missed the website if it was posted--would you please re-post
> it? We have had a few questions about it.
>
> Barbara Borg-Jenkins
> South Haven Public Library
> 403 W 700 N
> Valparaiso, In 46385
>
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > Hi Robin, Joel -
> > Sorry I was offline earlier - Joel is right,
> > (of course) - but it certainly is a clever
> > website, masquerading as a university course -
> > and I've alerted our local history librarians to
> > expect questions about this, which we will no
> > doubt get.
> > -David
> >
> > --- Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org> wrote:
> > > The book is the backstory for the upcoming
> > > Stephen King
> > > miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the
> > > end of the month.
> > >
> > > It is definitely fiction and was probably
> > > written by either Stephen
> > > King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or
> > > the Kings have not
> > > confirmed this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > **********************************************************************
> > > Joel W. Tscherne Email:
> > > [removed]@cpl.org
> > > Branch Manager
> > > Rice Branch Phone:
> > > (216)623-7046
> > > Cleveland Public Library Fax:
> > > (216)623-7049
> > > 2820 East 116th Street
> > > Cleveland, OH 44120-2111
> > > http://www.cpl.org
> > >
> > **********************************************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ......................................................................
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FROM: "Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@ci.glendale.az.us>
REC'D: 1/15/02, 12:06 PM

I think it might be bogus....if you click on programs, you get some other programs of study, like math and biology, but if you click on those, you get the Red Rose Diary page. Should be illegal for them not to have a disclaimer, if you ask me!

Lisa


Lisa Colcord
Librarian
Glendale Public library
Glendale, AZ

....my views are my own....

-The secret to life is enjoying the passage of time- James Taylor

>>> [removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us 01/15/02 10:02AM >>>
Is the whole site bogus? Is there a Beaumont University? If you click on
anything else, *everything* is under construction.

Barbara Borg-Jenkins
South Haven Public Library
403 W 700 N
Valparaiso, IN 46385

Lisa Colcord wrote:

> www.beaumontuniversity.net
>
> >>> [removed]@pcpls.lib.in.us 01/14/02 19:35 PM >>>
> I might have missed the website if it was posted--would you please re-post
> it? We have had a few questions about it.
>
> Barbara Borg-Jenkins
> South Haven Public Library
> 403 W 700 N
> Valparaiso, In 46385
>
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > Hi Robin, Joel -
> > Sorry I was offline earlier - Joel is right,
> > (of course) - but it certainly is a clever
> > website, masquerading as a university course -
> > and I've alerted our local history librarians to
> > expect questions about this, which we will no
> > doubt get.
> > -David
> >
> > --- Joel Tscherne <[removed]@cpl.org> wrote:
> > > The book is the backstory for the upcoming
> > > Stephen King
> > > miniseries "Rose Red", scheduled on ABC at the
> > > end of the month.
> > >
> > > It is definitely fiction and was probably
> > > written by either Stephen
> > > King or Tabitha King, although the publisher or
> > > the Kings have not
> > > confirmed this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > **********************************************************************
> > > Joel W. Tscherne Email:
> > > [removed]@cpl.org
> > > Branch Manager
> > > Rice Branch Phone:
> > > (216)623-7046
> > > Cleveland Public Library Fax:
> > > (216)623-7049
> > > 2820 East 116th Street
> > > Cleveland, OH 44120-2111
> > > http://www.cpl.org
> > >
> > **********************************************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ......................................................................
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FROM: "ROBIN BEERBOWER" <[removed]@mail.open.org>
REC'D: 1/15/02, 12:27 PM

Thanks to all who answered my Diary of Ellen Rimbauer query. This reminds me of the Blair Witch Project movie and the patrons who came in asking for factual information. :-)

And I did find the "fiction" notation on the back of the book but it was partially hidden by the McNaughton labels. Guess they were also fooled since they cataloged it as a biography!

FROM: Kathleen Kehoe <[removed]@umich.edu>
REC'D: 1/15/02, 12:37 PM

Universities and school sites are usually ".edu" not ".net". Also there is a copyright Hyperion at the bottom of the page. You just have to look very closely to figure it out.

Kate Kehoe

FROM: Rhonda Jessup <[removed]@whitbylibrary.on.ca>
REC'D: 1/15/02, 2:02 PM

The publisher, Hyperion, has claimed copyright on the main page in tiny
print.

Rhonda Jessup
Whitby Public Library

> Subject: Re: Diary of Ellen Rimbauer Question
> From: "Barb Borg-Jenkins"
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:02:40 -0600
>
> Is the whole site bogus? Is there a Beaumont University? If you click on
> anything else, *everything* is under construction.
>
> Barbara Borg-Jenkins
> South Haven Public Library
> 403 W 700 N
> Valparaiso, IN 46385
>

FROM: Bradley A Scott <[removed]@juno.com>
REC'D: 1/16/02, 12:49 AM

"Lisa Colcord" <[removed]@ci.glendale.az.us> wrote:

>I think it might be bogus....if you click on programs, you get some
other programs of study, like math and biology, but if you click on
those, you get the Red Rose Diary page.

And for those who remember their high school science classes, the name
"Constance Planck" as a physics instructor might set off some warning
bells, too....

Bradley A. Scott

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FROM: Bradley A Scott <[removed]@juno.com>
REC'D: 1/16/02, 1:00 AM

I saw a review of "The Diary of Ellen R." in a recent issue of
Publisher's Weekly. I can't remember which one, and it doesn't seem to
be indexed in PerAbs yet. It was in the fiction section, though. And
the WorldCat record, although it catalogs it as fiction, has one of the
more unusual authorship attributions I've seen:

Author(s): Reardon, Joyce (Fictitous character) ; Rimbauer, Steven
(Fictitous character)

How's that for recursive, self-referential writing?

Bradley A. Scott

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FROM: Bradley A Scott <[removed]@juno.com>
REC'D: 1/16/02, 1:10 AM

My curiousity was piqued by the following comment about the "Diary of
Ellen R.":

>And I did find the "fiction" notation on the back of the book but it was
partially hidden by the McNaughton labels. Guess
>they were also fooled since they cataloged it as a biography!

What does the cataloging-in-publication data in the book say? I'm
curious because just yesterday I saw some CIP-lookalike information that
was apparently faked for purposes of satire. I found some scanned page
views of the Harry Potter parody "Barry Trotter and the Unauthorized
Parody" on the publisher's website, and noticed that the CIP information
was apparently part of the parody, too; it included subject headings like
"Ripoffs -- blatant", "Books -- stupid", and "Copyright --
infringement". I thought it was interesting that someone would carry the
joke that far.

Bradley A. Scott
(Who does not necessarily endorse every book mentioned in this message.)
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