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FROM: "Quillen, Christine" <[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us>
REC'D: 4/27/02, 11:00 AM

When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004

FROM: Viccy Kemp <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
REC'D: 4/29/02, 10:32 AM

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years, then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004

FROM: Sherri Lazenby <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 11:54 AM

Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 12:05 PM

I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
schedulers.
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: Viccy Kemp <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 12:15 PM

The information was given out in the session covering weeding by Dewey
class, so I believed it pertained to non-fiction.
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:51 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: "Franz, Patty" <[removed]@pamunkeylibrary.org>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 12:15 PM

Kathleen -

Thank you! I have been contemplating my book order for this week,
wondering how many of them would circulate "enough"? You said what I have
been thinking and much more ably than I would have. Patty

Patty Franz
Supervising Librarian
Pamunkey Regional Library
P. O. Box 119
Hanover, VA 23069

[removed]@pamunkeylibrary.org
www.pamunkeylibrary.org

FROM: "M. Wms." <[removed]@adelphia.net>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 12:47 PM

I agree with Kathleen. Most of our books -- whether by the "must
circulate 20 times" rule or the "must circulate 36 times in 3 years"
rule -- don't pay for themselves. When did that become the point of
library books?

Perhaps in a large library, most of the books go out this often, but
in a small library, we count the book as a popular one if it goes
out 5 or 6 times per year (and we only buy one copy of each book).
"Literature" rarely goes out but we're not going to ditch it for
that reason.

If we went by this rule, many libraries would be filled with romance
novels, popular mysteries, and some kids books. While these books
are important in a public library (and I love mysteries!), so are
reference and non-fiction books (which might only be skimmed on site
and never taken out), literature, poetry, and backlists of current
fiction authors.

~ Molly Wms.
--
Molly Williams
Volunteer, Waterboro Public Library (Maine)
daily library weblog: http://www.waterboro.lib.me.us/blog.htm

Kathleen Stipek wrote:

> I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
> If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
> once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
> Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
> End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
> demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
> there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
> not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
> but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
> cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
> libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
> schedulers.
> ........................................................................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: Books paying for themselves

> When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
> circulate 20
> times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
> was or
> which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
> anyone out
> there could point me in the direction of an article or book.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C. L.
>
> C. L. Quillen, Librarian
> South County Regional Branch Library
> 35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004

FROM: Viccy Kemp <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 1:39 PM

I want to reply to Kathleen's comments because the specific question that I
was responding to was in regards to a pre-conference on weeding given by the
Cuyahoga County system at PLA in March. They also recommend the CREW Method,
a primer of weeding available from the Texas State Library, which is one of
the SINGLE MOST USEFUL books I have ever used for collection development.

I agree with Kathleen that we have to strike a balance. I would never weed a
classic, defined anyway you want to, except for wear and then I would
replace it. I would never weed a book by a Texas author because that's a
local area decision to make.

But there are some bottom line decisions that weeding helps: your
circulation WILL go up if you have an attractive, current set of books.
Patrons don't want to paw through ugly old books.
Please buy the CREW Method. You can call the Texas State Library at
512.463.5494 or fax requests to 514.463.8800. You can email
[removed]@tsl.state.tx.us. They cost $8.50/each plus shipping and handling.
Total payment for one copy is $9.76.

HTH
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:59 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
schedulers.
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: "Quillen, Christine" <[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 2:44 PM

Now that I checked the PLA conference schedule (which I should have done in
the first place), I think it was brought up in the session on Weeding your
adult fiction collection as I didn't attend the one on non-fiction, though
it could have been during the RA preconference. This was just one suggested
guideline, and I think you have to look at a number of factors when making a
decision about weeding, but I was curious to find out if there was an
article or chapter in a book that went into more detail.

Thanks again,
C. L.

-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:09 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


The information was given out in the session covering weeding by Dewey
class, so I believed it pertained to non-fiction.
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

FROM: Barry Trott <[removed]@mail.wrl.org>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 3:17 PM

Good points Kathleen, I agree that we have a responsibility to provide not
just multiple copies of bestsellers, but also those books that other folks
may seek out less frequently. Libraries need to support the reading habits
of all of our patrons, and that includes those folks who want to go back
and do retrospective reading of earlier authors.

Even if you are a proponent of the "give'em what they want," I think that
you have to have a variety of materials so that folks know what the
possibilities are. How can they know what they want if we don't let them
know what is out there? Helen Haines wrote that "Librarianship ought to
mean a personal fellowship with literature -- catholicity, tolerance,
receptivity toward the new, familiarity with those older tideways from
which fresh currents arise, diverge and flow endlessly through time; and
always zest in an infinite adventure of exploration and discovery."
(Technics or humanization in librarianship?. Library Journal. 63(15),
September 1, 1938)

We also need to provide the opportunity for readers to explore those
"older tideways" and we can do that through having collections that
encourage readers to go beyond where they might ordinarily look, and
through using RA skills to assist readers in making connections to books
that will appeal to them. But if the books are not there, it is difficult
to make those connections.

Barry

*******************************************************************************
Barry Trott 7770 Croaker Rd.
Adult Services Director Williamsburg VA 23188
Williamsburg Regional Library Phone: 757-259-4053
[removed]@mail.wrl.org FAX: 757-259-4079
http://www.wrl.org/bookweb/
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Kathleen Stipek wrote:

> I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
> If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
> once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
> Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
> End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
> demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
> there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
> not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
> but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
> cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
> libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
> schedulers.
> ........................................................................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>
> "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves
>
>
> Was this for all books or just fiction?
>
> Sherri L. Lazenby
> [removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
> Branch Manager
> Audelia Road Branch Library
> Dallas Public Library System
> 10045 Audelia Road
> Dallas, TX 75238
> (214) 670-1350
> (214) 670-0790 FAX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves
>
> I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
> pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
> the
> collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
> then
> Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
> I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
> corroborate the below information.
> Thanks,
> Viccy Kemp
> The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: Books paying for themselves
>
>
> When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
> circulate 20
> times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
> was or
> which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
> anyone out
> there could point me in the direction of an article or book.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C. L.
>
> C. L. Quillen, Librarian
> South County Regional Branch Library
> 35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004
>
>
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FROM: SWOLF <[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 4:11 PM

As a member of the WEED IT AND REAP panel, I would like to comment on
some of the information going around about weeding. Basically the
information there is correct, but taken a little of out context and a little
garbled.

The "GUIDELINES" of 20 circs refers to the number of times a book circulates
when it pays for itself. This was used as an illustration of just how few
circs a book needs before it actually pays for itself. Using the arbitrary
figure of $1.00 a circ, we figure it takes just 20-25 circs to equal its
list price. When you see a paperback that has circ'd 50-75 times, you can
see that you have gotten your money out of it! This is no indication that
you must weed the item, just an interesting comparison. Of course, it does
not hurt when you get circ like that on an item to know that you COULD let
it go. It has paid for itself big time. There is no scientific basis in
fact for this number. It was just an interesting comparison.

I must say also, that we stress anything we present at the workshop as
"GUIDELINES." There is no right or wrong answer. So much goes into
weeding: budget constraints, space constraints, community demand, core
collection, etc. etc. In fact, when I discuss weeding the non-fiction, I am
very specific about saying that I do not include circulation in our
handouts. That is something each library must determine for itself. I use
the circ of once a month as a very rough, quick-and-dirty criterion to add
to our other reasons why we MIGHT weed an item. Trust me, we do not weed
core titles, classics, etc. based solely on circulation. That would be a
HORROR!

We do say, however, that a book must earn its keep. I believe classic
titles and authors by their very nature earn their keep. That is not to say
that every small branch must have the complete run of every author though.
This is where the trained librarian and his/her judgment comes in. We can
only give you the guidelines. You know your individual library's mission,
budget, community, space needs, etc. You make the final decision.

Viccy has mentioned CREW. This is a very good, succinct, easy to use manual
for weeding. But, again, use it as a guideline to aid you in weeding.

I hope this helps.

Sue Anne Wolf
Cuyahoga County Public Library
[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us

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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:00 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Fiction_L Digest #2211 - 04/30/02


Fiction_L Digest #2211 - Tuesday, April 30, 2002

RE: mysteries and apes
by "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
RE: Books paying for themselves
by "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>


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Subject: RE: mysteries and apes
From: "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:01:34 -0500

Try No Sign Of Murder by Alan Russell (Walker, 1990), a mystery featuring P.
I. Stuart Winter about an ape who signs.

P. S. If any of you recognize Russell as the author of this series, or his
Innkeeper series, you may be interested that Russell is back in print this
May with a stand alone about a paparazzo.

Gary Warren Niebuhr, Library Director
Greendale Public Library
5647 Broad Street
Greendale, WI 53129
(414) 423-2136
[removed]@mcfls.org
www.greendale.org/library.htm


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Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves
From: "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:38:55 -0500

I want to reply to Kathleen's comments because the specific question that I
was responding to was in regards to a pre-conference on weeding given by the
Cuyahoga County system at PLA in March. They also recommend the CREW Method,
a primer of weeding available from the Texas State Library, which is one of
the SINGLE MOST USEFUL books I have ever used for collection development.

I agree with Kathleen that we have to strike a balance. I would never weed a
classic, defined anyway you want to, except for wear and then I would
replace it. I would never weed a book by a Texas author because that's a
local area decision to make.

But there are some bottom line decisions that weeding helps: your
circulation WILL go up if you have an attractive, current set of books.
Patrons don't want to paw through ugly old books.
Please buy the CREW Method. You can call the Texas State Library at
512.463.5494 or fax requests to 514.463.8800. You can email
[removed]@tsl.state.tx.us. They cost $8.50/each plus shipping and handling.
Total payment for one copy is $9.76.

HTH
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:59 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
schedulers.
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: Barry Trott <[removed]@mail.wrl.org>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 4:21 PM

Sue Anne,

Thanks for the information on the Weeding Guidelines. I did have a
question about the $1.00 per circ figure. You note in your message that
this is an arbitrary amount, but why did you all choose this figure,
rather than say $2.00/circ or .50/circ?

Barry

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Adult Services Director Williamsburg VA 23188
Williamsburg Regional Library Phone: 757-259-4053
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, SWOLF wrote:

> As a member of the WEED IT AND REAP panel, I would like to comment on
> some of the information going around about weeding. Basically the
> information there is correct, but taken a little of out context and a little
> garbled.
>
> The "GUIDELINES" of 20 circs refers to the number of times a book circulates
> when it pays for itself. This was used as an illustration of just how few
> circs a book needs before it actually pays for itself. Using the arbitrary
> figure of $1.00 a circ, we figure it takes just 20-25 circs to equal its
> list price. When you see a paperback that has circ'd 50-75 times, you can
> see that you have gotten your money out of it! This is no indication that
> you must weed the item, just an interesting comparison. Of course, it does
> not hurt when you get circ like that on an item to know that you COULD let
> it go. It has paid for itself big time. There is no scientific basis in
> fact for this number. It was just an interesting comparison.
>
> I must say also, that we stress anything we present at the workshop as
> "GUIDELINES." There is no right or wrong answer. So much goes into
> weeding: budget constraints, space constraints, community demand, core
> collection, etc. etc. In fact, when I discuss weeding the non-fiction, I am
> very specific about saying that I do not include circulation in our
> handouts. That is something each library must determine for itself. I use
> the circ of once a month as a very rough, quick-and-dirty criterion to add
> to our other reasons why we MIGHT weed an item. Trust me, we do not weed
> core titles, classics, etc. based solely on circulation. That would be a
> HORROR!
>
> We do say, however, that a book must earn its keep. I believe classic
> titles and authors by their very nature earn their keep. That is not to say
> that every small branch must have the complete run of every author though.
> This is where the trained librarian and his/her judgment comes in. We can
> only give you the guidelines. You know your individual library's mission,
> budget, community, space needs, etc. You make the final decision.
>
> Viccy has mentioned CREW. This is a very good, succinct, easy to use manual
> for weeding. But, again, use it as a guideline to aid you in weeding.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Sue Anne Wolf
> Cuyahoga County Public Library
> [removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us
>

FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 4:21 PM

That is a relief! I was afraid that the bottom-line people had begun to
make inroads upon librarians and do to us what they have done to TV (not
excluding PBS) and the movies. And goodness me, of course we shouldn't keep
raggedy books around. If you want to entice somebody to read, you must do
it with a presentable book. A scruffy book is unattractive, and a
falling-apart one is too hard to read. In this day and age of presentable
reprints, we can keep good but slowly-circulating authors around.

........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: SWOLF [[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:53 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


As a member of the WEED IT AND REAP panel, I would like to comment on
some of the information going around about weeding. Basically the
information there is correct, but taken a little of out context and a little
garbled.

The "GUIDELINES" of 20 circs refers to the number of times a book circulates
when it pays for itself. This was used as an illustration of just how few
circs a book needs before it actually pays for itself. Using the arbitrary
figure of $1.00 a circ, we figure it takes just 20-25 circs to equal its
list price. When you see a paperback that has circ'd 50-75 times, you can
see that you have gotten your money out of it! This is no indication that
you must weed the item, just an interesting comparison. Of course, it does
not hurt when you get circ like that on an item to know that you COULD let
it go. It has paid for itself big time. There is no scientific basis in
fact for this number. It was just an interesting comparison.

I must say also, that we stress anything we present at the workshop as
"GUIDELINES." There is no right or wrong answer. So much goes into
weeding: budget constraints, space constraints, community demand, core
collection, etc. etc. In fact, when I discuss weeding the non-fiction, I am
very specific about saying that I do not include circulation in our
handouts. That is something each library must determine for itself. I use
the circ of once a month as a very rough, quick-and-dirty criterion to add
to our other reasons why we MIGHT weed an item. Trust me, we do not weed
core titles, classics, etc. based solely on circulation. That would be a
HORROR!

We do say, however, that a book must earn its keep. I believe classic
titles and authors by their very nature earn their keep. That is not to say
that every small branch must have the complete run of every author though.
This is where the trained librarian and his/her judgment comes in. We can
only give you the guidelines. You know your individual library's mission,
budget, community, space needs, etc. You make the final decision.

Viccy has mentioned CREW. This is a very good, succinct, easy to use manual
for weeding. But, again, use it as a guideline to aid you in weeding.

I hope this helps.

Sue Anne Wolf
Cuyahoga County Public Library
[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Fiction_L [[removed]@maillist.webrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:00 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Fiction_L Digest #2211 - 04/30/02


Fiction_L Digest #2211 - Tuesday, April 30, 2002

RE: mysteries and apes
by "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
RE: Books paying for themselves
by "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: mysteries and apes
From: "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:01:34 -0500

Try No Sign Of Murder by Alan Russell (Walker, 1990), a mystery featuring P.
I. Stuart Winter about an ape who signs.

P. S. If any of you recognize Russell as the author of this series, or his
Innkeeper series, you may be interested that Russell is back in print this
May with a stand alone about a paparazzo.

Gary Warren Niebuhr, Library Director
Greendale Public Library
5647 Broad Street
Greendale, WI 53129
(414) 423-2136
[removed]@mcfls.org
www.greendale.org/library.htm


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves
From: "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:38:55 -0500

I want to reply to Kathleen's comments because the specific question that I
was responding to was in regards to a pre-conference on weeding given by the
Cuyahoga County system at PLA in March. They also recommend the CREW Method,
a primer of weeding available from the Texas State Library, which is one of
the SINGLE MOST USEFUL books I have ever used for collection development.

I agree with Kathleen that we have to strike a balance. I would never weed a
classic, defined anyway you want to, except for wear and then I would
replace it. I would never weed a book by a Texas author because that's a
local area decision to make.

But there are some bottom line decisions that weeding helps: your
circulation WILL go up if you have an attractive, current set of books.
Patrons don't want to paw through ugly old books.
Please buy the CREW Method. You can call the Texas State Library at
512.463.5494 or fax requests to 514.463.8800. You can email
[removed]@tsl.state.tx.us. They cost $8.50/each plus shipping and handling.
Total payment for one copy is $9.76.

HTH
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:59 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
schedulers.
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: "Quillen, Christine" <[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 4:33 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I never meant to imply that anyone should weed
a book if it didn't circ 20 times, I was just curious about where the
numbers came from. I've been doing some extensive weeding of our collection
recently, but the only circulation statistic that I've been using is when
the book was last checked out.

C.L.

-----Original Message-----
From: SWOLF [[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:53 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


As a member of the WEED IT AND REAP panel, I would like to comment on
some of the information going around about weeding. Basically the
information there is correct, but taken a little of out context and a little
garbled.

The "GUIDELINES" of 20 circs refers to the number of times a book circulates
when it pays for itself. This was used as an illustration of just how few
circs a book needs before it actually pays for itself. Using the arbitrary
figure of $1.00 a circ, we figure it takes just 20-25 circs to equal its
list price. When you see a paperback that has circ'd 50-75 times, you can
see that you have gotten your money out of it! This is no indication that
you must weed the item, just an interesting comparison. Of course, it does
not hurt when you get circ like that on an item to know that you COULD let
it go. It has paid for itself big time. There is no scientific basis in
fact for this number. It was just an interesting comparison.

I must say also, that we stress anything we present at the workshop as
"GUIDELINES." There is no right or wrong answer. So much goes into
weeding: budget constraints, space constraints, community demand, core
collection, etc. etc. In fact, when I discuss weeding the non-fiction, I am
very specific about saying that I do not include circulation in our
handouts. That is something each library must determine for itself. I use
the circ of once a month as a very rough, quick-and-dirty criterion to add
to our other reasons why we MIGHT weed an item. Trust me, we do not weed
core titles, classics, etc. based solely on circulation. That would be a
HORROR!

We do say, however, that a book must earn its keep. I believe classic
titles and authors by their very nature earn their keep. That is not to say
that every small branch must have the complete run of every author though.
This is where the trained librarian and his/her judgment comes in. We can
only give you the guidelines. You know your individual library's mission,
budget, community, space needs, etc. You make the final decision.

Viccy has mentioned CREW. This is a very good, succinct, easy to use manual
for weeding. But, again, use it as a guideline to aid you in weeding.

I hope this helps.

Sue Anne Wolf
Cuyahoga County Public Library
[removed]@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Fiction_L [[removed]@maillist.webrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:00 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Fiction_L Digest #2211 - 04/30/02


Fiction_L Digest #2211 - Tuesday, April 30, 2002

RE: mysteries and apes
by "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
RE: Books paying for themselves
by "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: mysteries and apes
From: "Gary Niebuhr" <[removed]@mcfls.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:01:34 -0500

Try No Sign Of Murder by Alan Russell (Walker, 1990), a mystery featuring P.
I. Stuart Winter about an ape who signs.

P. S. If any of you recognize Russell as the author of this series, or his
Innkeeper series, you may be interested that Russell is back in print this
May with a stand alone about a paparazzo.

Gary Warren Niebuhr, Library Director
Greendale Public Library
5647 Broad Street
Greendale, WI 53129
(414) 423-2136
[removed]@mcfls.org
www.greendale.org/library.htm


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves
From: "Viccy Kemp" <[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:38:55 -0500

I want to reply to Kathleen's comments because the specific question that I
was responding to was in regards to a pre-conference on weeding given by the
Cuyahoga County system at PLA in March. They also recommend the CREW Method,
a primer of weeding available from the Texas State Library, which is one of
the SINGLE MOST USEFUL books I have ever used for collection development.

I agree with Kathleen that we have to strike a balance. I would never weed a
classic, defined anyway you want to, except for wear and then I would
replace it. I would never weed a book by a Texas author because that's a
local area decision to make.

But there are some bottom line decisions that weeding helps: your
circulation WILL go up if you have an attractive, current set of books.
Patrons don't want to paw through ugly old books.
Please buy the CREW Method. You can call the Texas State Library at
512.463.5494 or fax requests to 514.463.8800. You can email
[removed]@tsl.state.tx.us. They cost $8.50/each plus shipping and handling.
Total payment for one copy is $9.76.

HTH
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:59 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


I don't want to be seen as unbusinesslike, but MUST a book pay for itself?
If so, we might have to dump a lot of things that don't move often but move
once in a while. Do we dump the not-so active Nobelist but keep Stephen,
Danielle, etc. who are? What about the E.M. Forster? Do we keep Howard's
End, A Passage to India, and A Room with a View because they had movie
demand but nothing else of his because nobody has read it lately? Isn't
there some judicious balance we need to strike between the popular and the
not-so-popular? We might not want to buy very large numbers of some titles,
but we might want to have one copy of several of an author's works. We
cannot let the bottom-line people dictate EVERYTHING that goes on in
libraries. Let's leave that to the TV programmers and blockbuster-movie
schedulers.
........................................................................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Lazenby [[removed]@dallaslibrary.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:51 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves


Was this for all books or just fiction?

Sherri L. Lazenby
[removed]@dallaslibrary.org <[removed]@dallaslibrary.org>
Branch Manager
Audelia Road Branch Library
Dallas Public Library System
10045 Audelia Road
Dallas, TX 75238
(214) 670-1350
(214) 670-0790 FAX


-----Original Message-----
From: Viccy Kemp [[removed]@cityofcarrollton.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:27 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books paying for themselves

I don't have that specific figure. What I did write down from the
pre-conference on weeding was that a book had to earn its place in
the
collection. If the book had not circulated 36 times in three years,
then
Cuyahoga County weeded it because it wasn't earning its place.
I, too, would be interested in knowing if there are statistics to
corroborate the below information.
Thanks,
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


-----Original Message-----
From: Quillen, Christine [[removed]@camden.lib.nj.us]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Books paying for themselves


When I was at PLA, one of the speakers said that a book has to
circulate 20
times to pay for itself. The speaker (and I don't remember who it
was or
which session) didn't attribute that to anyone and I wondered if
anyone out
there could point me in the direction of an article or book.

Thanks,

C. L.

C. L. Quillen, Librarian
South County Regional Branch Library
35 Coopers Folly Road, Atco, New Jersey 08004


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FROM: "Carol Kubala" <[removed]@columbiapl.libct.org>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 5:16 PM

And speaking of new spiffy copies...

Where do you get your reprints of those moldy old books? Today I was weeding Du
Maurier and could not find any decent copies of Jamaica Inn or My cousin Rachel
through our vendors. I searched Baker & Taylor, Ingram, Buccaneer, Ameron,
Aeonian. I hesitate to purchase a sight unseen copy from the used book sellers.
Sometimes there copies are no better than mine.

How about econoclad? I've never purchased any of these. Are they paperback clad
books?

I'll be interested in your sources for replacement copies.

Carol


--
Carol Kubala
Adult Services Librarian
Columbia/Saxton B. Little Free
Voice 860-228-0350 Fax 860-228-1569


Perhaps

Kathleen Stipek wrote:

> That is a relief! I was afraid that the bottom-line people had begun to
> make inroads upon librarians and do to us what they have done to TV (not
> excluding PBS) and the movies. And goodness me, of course we shouldn't keep
> raggedy books around. If you want to entice somebody to read, you must do
> it with a presentable book. A scruffy book is unattractive, and a
> falling-apart one is too hard to read. In this day and age of presentable
> reprints, we can keep good but slowly-circulating authors around.
>
> ........................................................................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>

FROM: "M. Wms." <[removed]@adelphia.net>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 6:08 PM

I've had great success buying from AbeBooks, where dealers state the
condition of the book. I've bought "like new," "fine," and "near
fine" and have been very happy with everything.

~ Molly Wms.
--
Molly Williams
Volunteer, Waterboro Public Library (Maine)
daily library weblog: http://www.waterboro.lib.me.us/blog.htm

Carol Kubala wrote:

> And speaking of new spiffy copies...
>
> Where do you get your reprints of those moldy old books? Today I was weeding Du
> Maurier and could not find any decent copies of Jamaica Inn or My cousin Rachel
> through our vendors. I searched Baker & Taylor, Ingram, Buccaneer, Ameron,
> Aeonian. I hesitate to purchase a sight unseen copy from the used book sellers.
> Sometimes there copies are no better than mine.
>
> How about econoclad? I've never purchased any of these. Are they paperback clad
> books?
>
> I'll be interested in your sources for replacement copies.
>
> Carol
>
>
> --
> Carol Kubala
> Adult Services Librarian
> Columbia/Saxton B. Little Free
> Voice 860-228-0350 Fax 860-228-1569
>
>
> Perhaps
>
> Kathleen Stipek wrote:
>
>
>>That is a relief! I was afraid that the bottom-line people had begun to
>>make inroads upon librarians and do to us what they have done to TV (not
>>excluding PBS) and the movies. And goodness me, of course we shouldn't keep
>>raggedy books around. If you want to entice somebody to read, you must do
>>it with a presentable book. A scruffy book is unattractive, and a
>>falling-apart one is too hard to read. In this day and age of presentable
>>reprints, we can keep good but slowly-circulating authors around.
>>
>>........................................................................
>>Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
>>Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
>>352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>

FROM: jessica emily jones <[removed]@students.uiuc.edu>
REC'D: 4/30/02, 6:40 PM

Alibris has also been good for me personally, I just look to make sure
there is a thorough description of the book. Pictures are nice too but,
they mostly are only available on ebay and amazon.com used book sellers.
Most of the amazon dealers are okay too, just look for the condition, like
Molly said, Fine, near fine and like new are technical book dealer terms
indicating very high quality copies.

Another route would be Barnes and Noble, i remember that they reprinted
dozens of "classics" esp those that had an expired copyright. I used to
buy hardcovers for about$6 new.

Good Luck!

Jessica E Moyer
Graduate School of Library and Information Science
University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, M. Wms. wrote:

> I've had great success buying from AbeBooks, where dealers state the
> condition of the book. I've bought "like new," "fine," and "near
> fine" and have been very happy with everything.
>
> ~ Molly Wms.
> --
> Molly Williams
> Volunteer, Waterboro Public Library (Maine)
> daily library weblog: http://www.waterboro.lib.me.us/blog.htm
>
> Carol Kubala wrote:
>
> > And speaking of new spiffy copies...
> >
> > Where do you get your reprints of those moldy old books? Today I was weeding Du
> > Maurier and could not find any decent copies of Jamaica Inn or My cousin Rachel
> > through our vendors. I searched Baker & Taylor, Ingram, Buccaneer, Ameron,
> > Aeonian. I hesitate to purchase a sight unseen copy from the used book sellers.
> > Sometimes there copies are no better than mine.
> >
> > How about econoclad? I've never purchased any of these. Are they paperback clad
> > books?
> >
> > I'll be interested in your sources for replacement copies.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carol Kubala
> > Adult Services Librarian
> > Columbia/Saxton B. Little Free
> > Voice 860-228-0350 Fax 860-228-1569
> >
> >
> > Perhaps
> >
> > Kathleen Stipek wrote:
> >
> >
> >>That is a relief! I was afraid that the bottom-line people had begun to
> >>make inroads upon librarians and do to us what they have done to TV (not
> >>excluding PBS) and the movies. And goodness me, of course we shouldn't keep
> >>raggedy books around. If you want to entice somebody to read, you must do
> >>it with a presentable book. A scruffy book is unattractive, and a
> >>falling-apart one is too hard to read. In this day and age of presentable
> >>reprints, we can keep good but slowly-circulating authors around.
> >>
> >>........................................................................
> >>Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> >>Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> >>352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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FROM: Spencer Ms Martha <[removed]@usmc-mccs.org>
REC'D: 5/1/02, 7:44 AM

Carol,

Do you use http://www.abebooks.com or http://www.bookfinder.com ? These
websites state the condition of the book very clearly. I have ordered from
them many times and have had good luck with every single one. Sometimes the
book is brand new.

Martha

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Kubala [[removed]@columbiapl.libct.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:10 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: Books paying for themselves


And speaking of new spiffy copies...

Where do you get your reprints of those moldy old books? Today I was weeding
Du
Maurier and could not find any decent copies of Jamaica Inn or My cousin
Rachel
through our vendors. I searched Baker & Taylor, Ingram, Buccaneer, Ameron,
Aeonian. I hesitate to purchase a sight unseen copy from the used book
sellers.
Sometimes there copies are no better than mine.

How about econoclad? I've never purchased any of these. Are they paperback
clad
books?

I'll be interested in your sources for replacement copies.

Carol


--
Carol Kubala
Adult Services Librarian
Columbia/Saxton B. Little Free
Voice 860-228-0350 Fax 860-228-1569


Perhaps

Kathleen Stipek wrote:

> That is a relief! I was afraid that the bottom-line people had begun to
> make inroads upon librarians and do to us what they have done to TV (not
> excluding PBS) and the movies. And goodness me, of course we shouldn't
keep
> raggedy books around. If you want to entice somebody to read, you must do
> it with a presentable book. A scruffy book is unattractive, and a
> falling-apart one is too hard to read. In this day and age of presentable
> reprints, we can keep good but slowly-circulating authors around.
>
> ........................................................................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>

FROM: David Wright <[removed]@yahoo.com>
REC'D: 5/4/02, 12:40 PM

This has been an interesting thread.
I work in a central or 'hub' library for a
large system, where we house lots of older,
lesser-known and lower-circ items that don't
really justify shelf space in our branches. I'm
kind of a champion for retaining older stuff in
acceptable condition (eg. the Taylor Caldwells &
Howard Fasts that circ once a year), but as
important as this is for the depth and breadth of
our fiction collection, it tends to make for less
attractive, less browsable stacks.
I'm wondering if other folks with large
collections of older fiction titles ever resort
to auxiliary closed stacks to keep the stuff in
the public eye from getting too dreary? Somebody
up there at our library has decided that no
fiction title should be out of the public eye,
but for the sake of our circ, I think I disagree.
-David Wright
Seattle Public Library

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FROM: "Kathy Loucks" <[removed]@cml.lib.oh.us>
REC'D: 5/4/02, 1:44 PM

We are getting ready to do this with our Popular Library (i.e. fiction
division) here, though our reason is primarily lack of space. We are
planning to have small "special interest" reading areas for the newest
books and popular materials such as genre and African-American fiction,
and some general stack area for more recent and continuously popular
materials. About half the collection will go into closed storage in the
basement. The division is being designed for a more cosy, friendly
reading atmosphere with lots of space for mechanizing. Remodeling is
expected to start around the end of the year. It will be interesting to
see how this impacts circ and how our patrons respond to the changes.

Kathleen Loucks
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, OH

FROM: Mary Kay Bird-Guilliams <[removed]@wichita.lib.ks.us>
REC'D: 5/6/02, 10:11 AM

this is lengthy, so be forewarned
David:
Wichita's Central library is fortunate to have a fairly spacious closed
shelving area. At one time it was a "private reserve" of first editions
and other things rather unrelated to the mission of the public library -
the front staff were allowed to place things in the extension, but not pull
anything out for their shelves. Patrons have always been able to check
them out, but seldom were requested. Before I took the job as coordinator
of collection development this started to change, the area has been cleared
of about 60% of these type of items, but there still remains a lot of
things we have no use for - primarily older editions of classics that will
never stand up to circulation, plus some things that might have local
interest that need to be archived - that's another story. My concept of
this extension area is a holding place for extra copies, especially those
older, second or third tier things for depth of collection without
overloading the public shelves, but also to keep abreast of the popular
stuff - last years Grisham, Steel, Roberts, etc. I start shunting the 6th,
or 3rd or whatever, (trying to develop a template by author/sliding scale)
and up copies of those babies into the extension against the future
need. Also gift copies of things we may not need at that moment - but we
know we will want in the future. Its a work in progress.

I also will put things into extension of low circulation if it may be asked
for - minor works of major authors (or major works of minor authors),
rather ratty but hopelessly out of print , e.g. science fiction story
collections, less attractive but still serviceable copies of something
like Lord of the Flies or To Kill a Mockingbird, something not quite
circulating high enough to warrant binding but it might in the
future. Gambles, in other words. Like I said, its a luxury many places do
not have.

Binding is my favorite thing. I also consider myself a champion of older
fiction. This clear binding they do now looks like a full size version of
econoclad or permabound. We are charged $7.00 a title, and you can
scarcely purchase a paperback for that. It has to be high circ over a long
time and out of print in hardback.

FROM: Wendy Isom <[removed]@pub-lib.ci.arlington.tx.us>
REC'D: 5/8/02, 10:55 AM

I'm just wondering if anyone else has comments on this subject. We are in
the process of considering changes to our existing building. We are looking
at everything; a new building, adding a floor, rearranging, and so on.

The idea of a popular library area is really interesting. I'm wondering who
else has a similar set-up, and how it's working for you.

Thanks,

Wendy Isom
Arlington Public Library
Arlington, Texas

P.S. I'm really enjoying the RA/personal vs. work related reading
discussion!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Loucks [[removed]@cml.lib.oh.us]
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 1:39 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Books Paying & Aux. Shelving

We are getting ready to do this with our Popular Library (i.e. fiction
division) here, though our reason is primarily lack of space. We are
planning to have small "special interest" reading areas for the newest
books and popular materials such as genre and African-American fiction,
and some general stack area for more recent and continuously popular
materials. About half the collection will go into closed storage in the
basement. The division is being designed for a more cosy, friendly
reading atmosphere with lots of space for mechanizing. Remodeling is
expected to start around the end of the year. It will be interesting to
see how this impacts circ and how our patrons respond to the changes.

Kathleen Loucks
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, OH

FROM: Kathy Mitchum <[removed]@ckls.org>
REC'D: 5/9/02, 3:33 PM

I agree with Molly. I have had very good luck in purchasing used books off
the
internet at substantial discounts. I have searched ABE, as well as
Bookfinder, AddALL, Bibliofind, Alibris, and others.. My current favorite is
AddAll. I've even had excellent luck on eBay for both personal and library
books.

Kathy

At 07:07 PM 4/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I've had great success buying from AbeBooks, where dealers state the
>condition of the book. I've bought "like new," "fine," and "near
>fine" and have been very happy with everything.
>
>~ Molly Wms.
>--
.............................
>> Aeonian. I hesitate to purchase a sight unseen copy from the used book
sellers.
>> Sometimes there copies are no better than mine.

>> Carol Kubala
>> Adult Services Librarian
>> Columbia/Saxton B. Little Free
>> Voice 860-228-0350  Fax 860-228-1569

Kathy Mitchum
ILL/Ref/Rural Serv/Tech Serv, Dept. Head
Central Kansas Library System
1409 Williams
Great Bend, KS 67530

(620-792-4865) phone
(620-792-5495) fax

[removed]@ckls.org

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