Fiction_L Archives French priest and nobleman's daughter Dates: 2/17/00,9:19 AM  through  2/19/00,11:12 AM  (15 postings) Search for: Select one or more indexes to search: 2011-current     2009-2010     2004-2008    1995-2003    (Matches from each index will be displayed separately in the results page.) Return to February 2000 thread menu   |   Fiction_L Archives Menu

FROM: "Adrian Lee" <[removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 9:19 AM

Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
with this one would be greatly appreciated.
yours,
A. M. Lee

FROM: "Jane Casto" <[removed]@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 9:42 AM

sounds like Abelard and Heloise story to me... true happening between
french monk (born 1079) and a private student of his, Heloise (niece of
on of the cergy of the cathedral in Paris). They fell in love and had
a son.

I have heard allusions to this story in toney British murder mysteries
from time to time...don't know if there is a novel out there based on this
happening...but a search of NoveList might turn something up.

__________________________________________________________________________
| Jane Casto |
| Librarian II |
| |
| Mail: Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center |
| Cliffdale Branch Library |
| 6882 Cliffdale Road |
| Fayetteville, North Carolina 28314-1975 |
| |
| E-Mail: [removed]@cumberland.lib.nc.us |
| <A HREF="http://www.cumberland.lib.nc.us">http://www.cumberland.lib.nc.us</A> |
| |
| Phone: (910) 864-2600 |
| Fax: (910) 487-9090 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

FROM: "Marsha Valance " <[removed]@mpl.org>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 9:56 AM

Probably HELOISE AND ABELARD, by George Moore (1921), although several other novelists have tackled the subject.


Marsha J. Valance
Regional Librarian
Wisconsin Regional Library f/t Blind & Physically Handicapped
813 West Wells Street
Milwaukee, Wi 53233-1436
Phone: 414/286-3010
FAX: 414/286-3102
Email: <[removed]@mpl.org>

"That All May Read"

>>> Adrian Lee <[removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us> 02/17 9:39 AM >>>
Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
with this one would be greatly appreciated.
yours,
A. M. Lee

FROM: "Mary Mcgavick" <[removed]@knox.net>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 10:01 AM

Hi,
The people were Abelard and Heloise, and they were real. At least one movie
(and book) about them is "Stealing Heaven".
Imdb and Amazon.com have listings...I believe his letters are in print. I
think you will get many, many more postings about them, but this is a quick
start.
Mary McGavick
PL of Mount Vernon & Knox County, Ohio

Adrian Lee wrote:

> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
> are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
> who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
> love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
> daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
> title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
> with this one would be greatly appreciated.
> yours,
> A. M. Lee

FROM: "Barry Trott" <[removed]@mail.wrl.org>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 10:09 AM

Could this be "Stealing Heaven: The Love Story of Heloise and Abelard" by
Marion Meade (1979)? Heloise was the neice of the the Canon Fulbert of
Notre Dame, and Abelard was her tutor. They fell in love, had a son
(Astrolabe) and were secretly married. When their marriage was discovered,
the canon had Abelard emasculated. Abelard became a monk, and Heloise a
nun. (Information from Benet's Reader's Encyclopedia and What Historical
Novel Do I Read Next).

I hope this helps,

Barry

*******************************************************************************
Barry Trott 7770 Croaker Rd.
Readers' Services Librarian Williamsburg VA 23188
Williamsburg Regional Library Phone: 757-259-4050 or
[removed]@mail.wrl.org 757-259-7720
*******************************************************************************

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Adrian Lee wrote:

> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
> are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
> who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
> love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
> daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
> title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
> with this one would be greatly appreciated.
> yours,
> A. M. Lee
>

FROM: <[removed]@dorsai.org>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 10:18 AM

The personae are Abelard (the priest) and Heloise. There are
several books about them I believe. I read one 20 years ago but
can't remember the title or author - maybe someone else can help
with that!

I had a patron yesterday looking for a book about them, but she
had spelled it "Abelard and Hell Low Ease". Hmmmm...

Alison

> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
> are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
> who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
> love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
> daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
> title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
> with this one would be greatly appreciated.
> yours,
> A. M. Lee
>


Alison Hendon
[removed]@amanda.dorsai.org

"Though my soul may set in darkness,
It will rise in perfect light,
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night...."
- Sarah Williams, "The Old Astronomer to His Pupil"

FROM: "Susan LaBelle" <[removed]@metronet.lib.mi.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 10:21 AM

The characters are Heloise and Abelard. I believe this is, more or less,
true.

*******************************************************************************
Susan LaBelle Voice 248.647.1700
Librarian Fax 248.647.6393
Adult Reading
Baldwin Public Library
300 W. Merrill
Birmingham, Michigan 48009

FROM: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@nslsilus.ORG>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 11:17 AM

That's the Heloise and Abelard story, based on actual figures. A film was
made about their affair a few years ago. George Moore wrote a beautiful
novel about them, but that was in 1921.
Bread Hooper
Booklist
ALA
Chicago

>>> [removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us 02/17/00 09:39AM >>>
Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
with this one would be greatly appreciated.
yours,
A. M. Lee

FROM: "Ann Theis" <[removed]@co.chesterfield.va.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 11:20 AM

The mystery series referred to by an earlier poster is most likely Sharan Newman'
Catherine Levendeur series. The first book is DEATH COMES AS EPIPHANY, Tor Books
1993.

Catherine LeVendeur is a young scholar at the Convent of the
Paraclete, a convent famous for learning and prayer...and its most
famous abbess, the fabled Heloise. Catherine's natural curiosity and
individualism have always set her apart and she has come to the
convent to conquer her sin of pride But service can come in many
forms...A manuscript that the convent produced for the great Abbe
Suger has disappeared and rumors have surfaced that the book
contains sacrilegious passages and will be used to condemn Heloise's
famous lover- Peter Abelard. Catherine must find the manuscript and
discover who has altered the text before it destroys all she holds dear.

Newman's web page is:
<A HREF="http://www.hevanet.com/sharan/Levendeur.html">http://www.hevanet.com/sharan/Levendeur.html</A>

Ann ~ Overbooked <A HREF="http://www.overbooked.org">http://www.overbooked.org</A>

FROM: <[removed]@aol.com>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 11:35 AM

In a message dated 2/17/2000 10:31:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us writes:

<<
Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
with this one would be greatly appreciated.
yours,
A. M. Lee >>

To me, this sounds like the classic (true) tale of Heloise and Abelard. See
Benet's Reader's Encyclopedia for a capsule summary under each name.

Binnie Syril Braunstein
Romance Novelist/former librarian

FROM: "Mary Van Dyke" <[removed]@CLSN3046.glenview.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 1:09 PM

Your patron is referring to Heloise and Abelard--their story is so
poignant that it is the subject of many books both fiction and
non-fiction. Personally I enjoyed how Sharan Newman portrayed them in
later life in her mystery series which starts with DEATH COMES AS
EPIPHANY.

Mary Van Dyke
Glenview (IL) Public Library


On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Adrian Lee wrote:

> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
> are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
> who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
> love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
> daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
> title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
> with this one would be greatly appreciated.
> yours,
> A. M. Lee
>
>

FROM: "Adrian Lee" <[removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 1:59 PM

You people are amazing! I love you all! Once again your quick and
accurate responses have saved the day. Thanks a million. And while we're
talking about millions...let's get someone from our ranks to be the
frontman on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" We form a limited
partnership, and feed him answers through the lifeline and split the
winnings. Then we go after that Alex Trebek dude because he is soooo smug.
Well...It's just a thought. Thanks again.
A. Lee

FROM: "Dana Donnell" <[removed]@kentlibrary.lib.mi.us>
REC'D: 2/17/00, 6:54 PM

I think your characters are Abelard and Heloise--their story is chronicled
in a very good YA novel entitled _Spider's Voice_ by Skurzynski.

Dana Donnell--Public Services/Reference Librarian
Kent District Library--Wyoming Branch

Messages reflect personal, rather than Kent District Library, opinions.




On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Adrian Lee wrote:

> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
> are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
> who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
> love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
> daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
> title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
> with this one would be greatly appreciated.
> yours,
> A. M. Lee
>
>

FROM: "Vivian Mortensen" <[removed]@park-ridge.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 2/18/00, 9:27 AM

There was a very funny bit in the movie, BEING JOHN MALKOVITCH, involving
puppets acting out the Abelard & Heloise story. You might want to take a
look.

Vivian Mortensen
Park Ridge Public Library
Park Ridge, IL

-----Original Message-----
From: [removed]@maillist.nslsilus.org
[<A HREF="mailto:owner-fiction_l@maillist.nslsilus.org]On">mailto:owner-fiction_l@maillist.nslsilus.org]On</A> Behalf Of Adrian Lee
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:39 AM
To: fictionl
Subject: French priest and nobleman's daughter


Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
with this one would be greatly appreciated.
yours,
A. M. Lee

FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 2/19/00, 11:12 AM

>From: Adrian Lee <[removed]@netra.bossier.lib.la.us>
>Reply-To: [removed]@maillist.nslsilus.org
>To: fictionl <[removed]@maillist.nslsilus.org>
>Subject: French priest and nobleman's daughter
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:39:27 -0600 (CST)
>
> Alright all you brainy librarians out there...and you know who you
>are...I have a good one. A patron wants the name of a book about a priest
>who falls in love with a nobleman's daughter. It seems that when their
>love is discovered the nobleman has the priest castrated (gulp!) and his
>daughter becomes a nun. What were the names of the characters and the
>title of the book? The patron believes it was made into a movie. Any help
>with this one would be greatly appreciated.
>yours,
>A. M. Lee
>

Someone has almost certainly addressed this question before, but the story
sounds suspiciously like that of Heloise & Abelard to me. I believe that
Helen(?) Waddell wrote a novel about the relationship, though I can't at
this moment remember its title.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A>

Return to February 2000 thread menu   |   Fiction_L Archives Menu

The Webrary® and Fiction_L are services of the Morton Grove Public Library "Webrary" is a registered trademark of the Morton Grove Public Library. All rights reserved. Copyright of Fiction_L postings belongs to their respective authors; postings may only be reused with the author's permission. Compiled lists (compilations of titles or authors from earlier postings on a particular topic) may not be reused for commercial purposes. To use a compiled list for non-commercial purposes, please credit "Subscribers of the Fiction_L mailing list." All other content is ©2012 Morton Grove Public Library, 6140 Lincoln Ave., Morton Grove, IL 60053-2989, (847) 965-4220.