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FROM: "Deb Warner" <[removed]@co.durham.nc.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 2:15 PM

Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk about
STUPID characters ......DEB

FROM: Viccy Kemp <[removed]@ci.carrollton.tx.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 2:27 PM

Yes, yes, yes. I remember reading ALL of the Serge Golon books (and in
retrospect wonder about my taste in literature!). They were truly bad
writing, but I sure found them "educational" at the time. as was "Amber" and
James Bond (eighth grade, I remember it well!). Thanks for the memory!
LOL
Viccy Kemp
The opinions are my own; the library wouldn't want 'em!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: Amber et al
>
> Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk about
> STUPID characters ......DEB
>
>
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FROM: Barbara Perkins <[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 2:35 PM

Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them in
hardback for a
few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's much
more fun to
scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
pleasure.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: Amber et al
>
> Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk about
> STUPID characters ......DEB
>
>
> ......................................................................
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FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 2:45 PM

If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert Kline,
who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books, set on
Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.

........................................................................
.....................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Amber et al


Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them in
hardback for a
few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's much
more fun to
scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
pleasure.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: Amber et al
>
> Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk about
> STUPID characters ......DEB
>
>
> ......................................................................
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FROM: Barbara Perkins <[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 3:01 PM

Oh and the Gor books! Those were AWFUL!
The think I loved about Burroughs was the way he ended chapters....
"AND THEN, THE SABER TOOTHED TIGER POUNCED!"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:44 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
> If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert
> Kline,
> who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
> member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books, set
> on
> Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.
>
> ........................................................................
> .....................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>
> "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
>
> Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them in
> hardback for a
> few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's much
> more fun to
> scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
> pleasure.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> > To: Fiction_L
> > Subject: Amber et al
> >
> > Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> > Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> > Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk
> about
> > STUPID characters ......DEB
> >
> >
> > ......................................................................
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FROM: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 3:13 PM

There is this to say about Burroughs--and about Robert E. Howard--he could
tell a story. Either of them could have made it back in the days when
literary criticism involded M'lord's whacking somebody with his trusty
sword.

........................................................................
.....................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:50 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Amber et al


Oh and the Gor books! Those were AWFUL!
The think I loved about Burroughs was the way he ended chapters....
"AND THEN, THE SABER TOOTHED TIGER POUNCED!"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:44 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
> If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert
> Kline,
> who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
> member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books, set
> on
> Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.
>
> ........................................................................
> .....................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>
> "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
>
> Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them in
> hardback for a
> few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's much
> more fun to
> scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
> pleasure.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> > To: Fiction_L
> > Subject: Amber et al
> >
> > Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> > Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> > Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk
> about
> > STUPID characters ......DEB
> >
> >
> > ......................................................................
> > Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
> > Everything Fiction_L: http://www.webrary.org/rs/flmenu.html
>
> ......................................................................
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FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 12/18/00, 3:21 PM

>From: Kathleen Stipek <[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us>
>Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>Subject: RE: Amber et al
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:43:34 -0500
>
>If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert Kline,
>who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
>member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books, set
>on
>Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.

Oh, lots of people imitated ERB, as I'm sure Dennis would agree! Lin Carter
comes to mind...Gardner F. Fox...Michael Moorcock under a pseudoonym (wasn't
it Edward Bradbury, Dennis?)...


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FROM: "Steven A. Roman" <[removed]@addison.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 12/19/00, 2:14 PM

Actually, I miss heroic fantasy. So much of fantasy seems derivative of
Burroughs, the pulp writers (especially Howard) and Tolkien that I find it
difficult to get a satisfying read from more contemporary authors (Gaiman
and DeLint aside).

Steven A. Roman
Addison Public Library

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:05 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Amber et al


There is this to say about Burroughs--and about Robert E. Howard--he could
tell a story. Either of them could have made it back in the days when
literary criticism involded M'lord's whacking somebody with his trusty
sword.

........................................................................
.....................
Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)

"Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:50 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: RE: Amber et al


Oh and the Gor books! Those were AWFUL!
The think I loved about Burroughs was the way he ended chapters....
"AND THEN, THE SABER TOOTHED TIGER POUNCED!"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:44 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
> If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert
> Kline,
> who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
> member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books, set
> on
> Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.
>
> ........................................................................
> .....................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>
> "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
>
> Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them in
> hardback for a
> few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's much
> more fun to
> scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
> pleasure.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> > To: Fiction_L
> > Subject: Amber et al
> >
> > Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> > Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of course,
> > Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk
> about
> > STUPID characters ......DEB
> >
> >
> > ......................................................................
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FROM: "Deb Warner" <[removed]@co.durham.nc.us>
REC'D: 12/19/00, 4:10 PM

Ah Fritz Lieber's Lahnkmar books, L.Sprague De Camp's Land Of Unreason and
Complete Compleat Enchanter, the early Amber books by Zelazny. I also still
like Barbara Hambly's Darwath trilogy (Armies of Daylight etc). One series
I have been enjoying enormouly are the anthologies edited by Esther Friesner
of humorous woman warrior stories: Chicks In Chainmail, The Chick's In The
Mail, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven A. Roman <[removed]@addison.lib.il.us>
To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Amber et al


> Actually, I miss heroic fantasy. So much of fantasy seems derivative of
> Burroughs, the pulp writers (especially Howard) and Tolkien that I find it
> difficult to get a satisfying read from more contemporary authors (Gaiman
> and DeLint aside).
>
> Steven A. Roman
> Addison Public Library
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:05 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
>
> There is this to say about Burroughs--and about Robert E. Howard--he could
> tell a story. Either of them could have made it back in the days when
> literary criticism involded M'lord's whacking somebody with his trusty
> sword.
>
> ........................................................................
> .....................
> Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
>
> "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:50 PM
> To: Fiction_L
> Subject: RE: Amber et al
>
>
> Oh and the Gor books! Those were AWFUL!
> The think I loved about Burroughs was the way he ended chapters....
> "AND THEN, THE SABER TOOTHED TIGER POUNCED!"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kathleen Stipek [[removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us]
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:44 PM
> > To: Fiction_L
> > Subject: RE: Amber et al
> >
> > If you want a bad science fiction guilty pleasure, try Otis Adelbert
> > Kline,
> > who was an Edgar Rice Burroughs wannabe. In my misspent youth, I was a
> > member of the Science Fiction Book Club and had several of his books,
set
> > on
> > Mars and Venus. The man made ERB read like Henry James.
> >
> > ........................................................................
> > .....................
> > Kathleen Stipek, Adult Services/Interlibrary Loans, Alachua County
> > Library District (FMG), 401 E. University AV, Gainesville FL 32601
> > [removed]@exchange.acld.lib.fl.us)
> > 352-334-3938 (v) 352-334-3948 (f)
> >
> > "Non, merci."--Cyrano de Bergerac
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barbara Perkins [[removed]@irving.lib.tx.us]
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
> > To: Fiction_L
> > Subject: RE: Amber et al
> >
> >
> > Oh Yes! Angelique was so much fun! In fact, I've been collecting them
in
> > hardback for a
> > few years now. I know I could find them all on bookfinder, but it's
much
> > more fun to
> > scrounge around in used bookstores! Angelique has always been a guilty
> > pleasure.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Deb Warner [[removed]@co.durham.nc.us]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> > > To: Fiction_L
> > > Subject: Amber et al
> > >
> > > Actually, the "bad" books I was first enthralled by were Serge Golon's
> > > Angelique books, still pretty mild by today's standards, and of
course,
> > > Terry Southern's CANDY. That was the one we whispered about. Talk
> > about
> > > STUPID characters ......DEB
> > >
> > >
> > > ......................................................................
> > > Need to subscribe, unsubscribe, search the archives?
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> >
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FROM: [removed]@aol.com
REC'D: 12/19/00, 4:48 PM

In a message dated 12/19/2000 3:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@addison.lib.il.us writes:

<<
Actually, I miss heroic fantasy. So much of fantasy seems derivative of
Burroughs, the pulp writers (especially Howard) and Tolkien that I find it
difficult to get a satisfying read from more contemporary authors (Gaiman
and DeLint aside).
>>

I always thought Roger Zelazny was writing a kind or heroic fantasy - esp.
the "Amber" series. Or maybe it's really sword and sorcery...

Binnie Syril Braunstein
romance novelist/former librarian

FROM: "Steven A. Roman" <[removed]@addison.lib.il.us>
REC'D: 12/19/00, 5:36 PM

You know, that's an interesting point. I suppose that Zelazny *is* writing
heroic fantasy, at least in his Amber series. I'm such a Zelazny fan that I
often categorize him by himself in my head.

Thank you,

Steven A. Roman
Addison Public Library

-----Original Message-----
From: [removed]@aol.com [[removed]@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 4:09 PM
To: Fiction_L
Subject: Re: Amber et al


In a message dated 12/19/2000 3:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@addison.lib.il.us writes:

<<
Actually, I miss heroic fantasy. So much of fantasy seems derivative of
Burroughs, the pulp writers (especially Howard) and Tolkien that I find it
difficult to get a satisfying read from more contemporary authors (Gaiman
and DeLint aside).
>>

I always thought Roger Zelazny was writing a kind or heroic fantasy - esp.
the "Amber" series. Or maybe it's really sword and sorcery...

Binnie Syril Braunstein
romance novelist/former librarian

FROM: "christine jeffords" <[removed]@hotmail.com>
REC'D: 12/20/00, 10:12 AM

>From: "Steven A. Roman" <[removed]@addison.lib.il.us>
>Reply-To: "Fiction_L" <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>To: Fiction_L <[removed]@maillist.webrary.org>
>Subject: RE: Amber et al
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:08:30 -0600
>
>Actually, I miss heroic fantasy. So much of fantasy seems derivative of
>Burroughs, the pulp writers (especially Howard) and Tolkien that I find it
>difficult to get a satisfying read from more contemporary authors (Gaiman
>and DeLint aside).
>
>Steven A. Roman
>Addison Public Library

I guess that just goes to show that Burroughs, Howard, and Tolkien, between
them, invented/defined the genre as we now know it!


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